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and that dumb ape avertar, I bet he looks like that. ah now that was mean but he was pretty mean too.

If comments like the most recent remarks continue to come, then there will be no reason for this thread to be open. Whether or not a member fails to respect his/her fellow board members, they are to be treated with the same respect everyone wants. Resorting to personal attacks on a suspended member only encourages said suspended member to not serve the full suspension and endangers your privilege to be a member of this forum. Remember, if you disagree with something, you can attack an argument, but you are not permitted to attack the member making the statement.

If this hotbed topic should continue to serve its original purpose, then I'm fairly certain that attacks against menmv should no be a part of future replies.

The real quandary here is this:

Why is it when I try and post a thought provoking and intelligent thread related to theater or a really great FILM, it dies in about two hours, and then we have threads like this that get an amazing seven pages of posts and passionate replys in only 14 days?

Now THAT is something to mull over.

Woah, a lot has happened to this thread since I've been gone. I guess I'm not really surpriised, although I am thoroghly disappointed.

I don't care much to see derogatory terms thrown around as insults.

I guess I'm glad I didn't get so personal this time around, as you may recall I took some of the events of the Rosie thread pretty hard.

It can be painful and difficult if you're attracted to members of the same sex because we live in a world where it's not considered the norm. I'm not sure if a lot of straight people can fully comprehend the hardships it brings on. People fear it and are quick to judge. But there's only one being (or several, depending on your beliefs) that have any rights to pass judgement upon others, no matter how threateneed they might make us feel.

But as I said about the Rosie thread, I know some good can come from all this. People need to speak out and be heard, and you wouldn't believe how theraputic that last thread was for me after it was all over. I'm still thankful for that.

Anyway, I think it's worth noting that we all share a common bond here, a love for Disney. I still feel that opens us up to talk about other issues, even controvercial ones.

Luke has been a very tolerant moderator and I really appreciate that. I hope we all can appreciate that.

The key to keeping this thread from turning friends into bitter enemies is showing tolerance and respect for all involved. Some have made a great start, but others may need to step back, take a deep breath, and figure out why the subject bothers them so much before continuing.

I really hope that no one here is out to hurt anyone.

Luke wrote:If comments like the most recent remarks continue to come, then there will be no reason for this thread to be open. Whether or not a member fails to respect his/her fellow board members, they are to be treated with the same respect everyone wants. Resorting to personal attacks on a suspended member only encourages said suspended member to not serve the full suspension and endangers your privilege to be a member of this forum. Remember, if you disagree with something, you can attack an argument, but you are not permitted to attack the member making the statement.

You appear to be policing the victims. Not that I'm surprised, once again given our current social climate where it's alright for any minority to be prayed upon by grave, wanton maliciousness.

I can't be any part of a system that gives people who volunteer to become the voice of homophobia and hatred, regardless of the scale, a scapegoat and make excuses for their reprehensible behavior.

Well I guess that's that then. I'll be moseying on out of here now. It's just disappointing that someone always has to make a stand alone. Not that it makes a difference now. I hope you have fun with memnv when he does come back, you just chose him over me.

Lazario wrote:

Luke wrote:If comments like the most recent remarks continue to come, then there will be no reason for this thread to be open. Whether or not a member fails to respect his/her fellow board members, they are to be treated with the same respect everyone wants. Resorting to personal attacks on a suspended member only encourages said suspended member to not serve the full suspension and endangers your privilege to be a member of this forum. Remember, if you disagree with something, you can attack an argument, but you are not permitted to attack the member making the statement.

You appear to be policing the victims. Not that I'm surprised, once again given our current social climate where it's alright for any minority to be prayed upon by grave, wanton maliciousness.

I can't be any part of a system that gives people who volunteer to become the voice of homophobia and hatred, regardless of the scale, a scapegoat and make excuses for their reprehensible behavior.

Well I guess that's that then. I'll be moseying on out of here now. It's just disappointing that someone always has to make a stand alone. Not that it makes a difference now. I hope you have fun with memnv when he does come back, you just chose him over me.

Bye! I wish you well. I hope you will one day learn that there are people with strong prejudices who will make others feel bad, but there's nothing you can do, except to be a better person yourself.

Maybe I'm not reading correctly, but from what I see, the reason why certain members resorted to all those verbal attacks was because of a little thing called PATRONIZATION. If someone has a minority opinion, and they come across as rude, let it be. If it weren't for the many dunces who had to immediately respond and put this person in his place, the resulting comments would have never happened. That is all I will say on that matter and I don't want anyone responding to this part of my thread.

Lazario wrote:

Luke wrote:If comments like the most recent remarks continue to come, then there will be no reason for this thread to be open. Whether or not a member fails to respect his/her fellow board members, they are to be treated with the same respect everyone wants. Resorting to personal attacks on a suspended member only encourages said suspended member to not serve the full suspension and endangers your privilege to be a member of this forum. Remember, if you disagree with something, you can attack an argument, but you are not permitted to attack the member making the statement.

You appear to be policing the victims. Not that I'm surprised, once again given our current social climate where it's alright for any minority to be prayed upon by grave, wanton maliciousness.

I can't be any part of a system that gives people who volunteer to become the voice of homophobia and hatred, regardless of the scale, a scapegoat and make excuses for their reprehensible behavior.

Well I guess that's that then. I'll be moseying on out of here now. It's just disappointing that someone always has to make a stand alone. Not that it makes a difference now. I hope you have fun with memnv when he does come back, you just chose him over me.

So does that mean your leaving?

I mean you have been with us for so many arguments but never left, now all of a sudden your leaving? Odd. I guess we have no one else to argue with.

well, I think this means no more hot threads for a while

I wish you luck Lazzario

Lazario wrote:

Luke wrote:If comments like the most recent remarks continue to come, then there will be no reason for this thread to be open. Whether or not a member fails to respect his/her fellow board members, they are to be treated with the same respect everyone wants. Resorting to personal attacks on a suspended member only encourages said suspended member to not serve the full suspension and endangers your privilege to be a member of this forum. Remember, if you disagree with something, you can attack an argument, but you are not permitted to attack the member making the statement.

You appear to be policing the victims. Not that I'm surprised, once again given our current social climate where it's alright for any minority to be prayed upon by grave, wanton maliciousness.

I can't be any part of a system that gives people who volunteer to become the voice of homophobia and hatred, regardless of the scale, a scapegoat and make excuses for their reprehensible behavior.

Well I guess that's that then. I'll be moseying on out of here now. It's just disappointing that someone always has to make a stand alone. Not that it makes a difference now. I hope you have fun with memnv when he does come back, you just chose him over me.

Hey, if you leave here, can you come back to my forums so we can start posting? No, seriously. Have fun. It was nice knowing you on this forum and on my own forum.

Luke wrote:If comments like the most recent remarks continue to come, then there will be no reason for this thread to be open. Whether or not a member fails to respect his/her fellow board members, they are to be treated with the same respect everyone wants.

This guy insulted homosexuals, people on this thread, and the whole board as a board. It is policing the victims. Do you expect people to not to anything when reading memnv's comments on this thread? Do you think people should treat him respect after all the horrible things memnv posted?

Alan wrote:

Luke wrote:If comments like the most recent remarks continue to come, then there will be no reason for this thread to be open. Whether or not a member fails to respect his/her fellow board members, they are to be treated with the same respect everyone wants.

This guy insulted homosexuals, people on this thread, and the whole board as a board. It is policing the victims. Do you expect people to not to anything when reading memnv's comments on this thread? Do you think people should treat him respect after all the horrible things memnv posted?

How sad. Today in this world everything is about revenge!

J/K!

This place is sure going to be a lot more boring without Lazario. If you leave Lazario the bigots win. Seriously, though Good luck.

Alan wrote:This guy insulted homosexuals, people on this thread, and the whole board as a board. It is policing the victims. Do you expect people to not to anything when reading memnv's comments on this thread? Do you think people should treat him respect after all the horrible things memnv posted?

No, I don't expect people not to be irritated by menmv's comments. They were clearly out of line and that is why he is now suspended. What I do hope for is that responses can be a little more intelligent and pointful than "Lets hope he never comes back" and saying that he probably looks like a dumb ape. Statements like these are attacks. They show little thought/creativity and contribute to an atmosphere that is hostile. Remarks like those are frowned upon. A more constructive way to voice displeasure with the situation would be to elaborate why certain comments and behavior were inappropriate and to move discussion towards enlightenment rather than dwelling on further negativity.

If anyone has a problem with the guidelines in place here to remain respectful of one another, then you are of course just as free to leave as you were to first join. Perhaps my comments were misinterpreted, but being the victim of hateful words does not give one a license to begin dishing out hateful words themselves.

Luke wrote:Perhaps my comments were misinterpreted, but being the victim of hateful words does not give one a license to begin dishing out hateful words themselves.

Exactly. It's not a good thing to complain about hostile words and then use them yourself. It's like I tell the kids at work, it doesn't matter who started it, just be the better person and don't contribute to the hatred. That only adds fuel to the fire.

Lazario, I'm really sorry to see you go, but I'm glad you're on my friends list over at LJ. I've had a lot of respect for you since day one.

I am a Straight man. In today's world people are too afraid to tell the truth. Homosexuality is very sickening. It is not herediry(Sp) it is a choice. You may have inclinations, but you can choose to not act on them.
Please this website is not an approriate place for this discussion.

I think its best for everyone to just ignore this thread unless your gay and want to tell Alice you are. Ignore the negativity. Ignore the fact that people jusy want to go off topic to tell the world how they feel on the subject, especially if it's just to cause more trouble. We saw what happened in the Rosie thread. I hope more of us have matured since then. Alice asked "Who here is gay?", not, "What do you think of gays?", so unless someone says, "Yes, I am gay.", best to ignore it all together then to start more fights. We are ALL better then that.

Unless its to defend a friend, I'll just be lurking here

Sounds good

and it wasn´t that in the first place one of the conditions to post on this thread?

GhostHost wrote:Please this website is not an approriate place for this discussion.

If you really felt that way, then why did you bump it up after more than a day of inactivity? As a member for only one day, perhaps your judgment on what is appropriate cannot be taken too seriously, but as the original post and subsequent replies have made clear, replies like yours weren't really sought.

That said, I'm skeptical that such a thread on this "hotbed" topic can create constructive discussion.

Luke, this may be just a "hotbed" topic to you, but this is a part of real people's lives. And it's very important for people to listen if people like I are actually talking about our sexuality. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't expect a straight person to understand because most of them take their sexuality for granted. For people like me, it's enough for us to lose our lives over. Just because things are tough for us, does not mean we should back down. It's not a case of changing for the majority, or even lying about it to save our lives when the bigots are attacking us in filthy gangs or carrying guns while threatening to kill us. We sometimes have to die just to be ourselves. At the very least, a few straight people can listen to the voice of reason. Because only gays can educate you on what it's like and how it feels. Everyone who is gay here have revealed themselves, but there is obviously more to say. If anyone tries to say it in another post/topic, they would be naturally directed back here- the last thing you want is another new topic about being gay / what have you. This goes for Siren too, just let the topic stay open. Even though I said a lot about it in the Rosie thread, very little of it has obviously sunk in. So there is need for more of it to be said.

GhostHost wrote:I am a Straight man. In today's world people are too afraid to tell the truth. Homosexuality is very sickening. It is not herediry(Sp) it is a choice. You may have inclinations, but you can choose to not act on them. Please this website is not an approriate place for this discussion.

And apparently your being straight is part of what is blinding you. Homosexuality is a beautiful thing, perhaps you would have to be a homosexual to understand. Like a woman can only understand what she feels, you can't just say it's not natural and that it's wrong, you can't say it's a choice- for what do you know about choices? I mean, look at how fear and ignorance have taken place of consideration and sensitivity, and is responsible for your talking about a subject for which you have no knowledge. Again, like I've said before: if you were a homosexual, you wouldn't be talking like this. Therefore, what other conclusion is one to draw than, you can't say what's wrong for other people than yourself. Maybe like all the other wrong people saying homosexuality is wrong, you're just not thinking.

Lazario, people who often post very negative comments about homosexuality, are often the ones seeking attention. They like to stir the pot and you are just playing right into their hands. I am saying this just to you, because you shouldn't have to defend yourself because your gay. No one should. No one should have to defend themselves because of who they are. Be it gay or straight, christian or athiest. You simply shouldn't have to feel you need to defend yourself, because in your opinion, you aren't doing anything wrong. And that's the only opinion that matters.
People like that just want attention, nothing more. Don't bite into the bait, because you'll only get the hook.

In other news, glad to see you are back.