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Not to get off-topic, but I am glad Giselle never ended up added to the line, regardless of the reason. To me, she'd just be so out-of-place (animated or not).

Anyway, for some reason I find it weird to see Tiana in the line. I guess it's because I've been seeing the same characters for forever now, that it's going to take me a while to adjust to new faces.

Julian Carter wrote:

Amy's quote wrote:"The cleanup crew will wrap up their work in late summer. Management's hired more staff on the back end because there's a lot of drawing on paper. The show isn't 'paperless' like they first hoped it would be ..."

Not quite sure what they mean. The movie was never meant to be animated paperless, as far as I know. They experimented with that with Goofy's short, but opted for good old paper for TPatF.

Thats not what I heard. I was under the impression that Goofy allowed them to start figuring out what would be needed for a paperless production, and that PAFT would be the first feature length paperless production. and much of it was indeed animated paperless. I'm thinking at the very least the original rough animation was done paperless but clean up is harder to do digitally with the level of control needed. (you tend to loose dexterity when drawing on a screen) so many opted for paper for the final line work.

Can anyone explain how "paperless" animation goes? Do they draw on something else? Computer? So no pencils?

Cintiq Drawing Pads:

Marky_198 wrote:Can anyone explain how "paperless" animation goes? Do they draw on something else? Computer? So no pencils?

They draw with what's called a digital tablet using a special pen/stylus. Most tablets are basically like a stiff mousepad that have built-in sensors to recognize where the pen is located as you use it. The pen controls the cursor on the computer screen in a similar way that your mouse does, but of course for drawing the pen has a more natural feel and better options than a mouse would. The pen itself has a sensor that is able to detect how hard it's being pressed against the tablet, allowing for pressure control like you would for a real pen or pencil.

Some tablets (like the Cintiq Neal just posted) are extra fancy and have their own screen that you can draw on directly so you don't have to draw on one plane while looking at another. Of course they're a lot more expensive. I've never looked into it before but I assume those are the ones they'd use at Disney.

I dont like this change. It may be more "green", but it seems to me like they'd be losing the actual feel of the artwork than just switching pads and saving money on pencils. I just don't like it. I know something's(or someone) gonna be screwed.

ajmrowland wrote:I dont like this change. It may be more "green", but it seems to me like they'd be losing the actual feel of the artwork than just switching pads and saving money on pencils. I just don't like it. I know something's(or someone) gonna be screwed.

Somehow I don't think they're saving a lot by spending 2 grand on a Cintiq for every artist instead of a box of pencils.

I think it's more that it's a useful tool in the long run as well as a time saver, it even makes working with art a bit easier since nothing has to be be scanned in and artwork is seen as-is within the computer from the beginning, allowing for instant resizing, adjustments, and manipulations. Early versions of the animation can easily be accessed as well. And honestly, you'd be amazed how well the tablets can replicate the look and feel of the pencil and other traditional tools, something I can say from personal experience.

........... Great. Now I'm even more worried that this movie might do badly.


Even though it might win against Lovely Bones (which is directed by Peter Jackson, who never leaves out a single detail!), well............. I ............. I dunno.

enigmawing wrote:

Marky_198 wrote:Can anyone explain how "paperless" animation goes? Do they draw on something else? Computer? So no pencils?

They draw with what's called a digital tablet using a special pen/stylus. Most tablets are basically like a stiff mousepad that have built-in sensors to recognize where the pen is located as you use it. The pen controls the cursor on the computer screen in a similar way that your mouse does, but of course for drawing the pen has a more natural feel and better options than a mouse would. The pen itself has a sensor that is able to detect how hard it's being pressed against the tablet, allowing for pressure control like you would for a real pen or pencil.

Some tablets (like the Cintiq Neal just posted) are extra fancy and have their own screen that you can draw on directly so you don't have to draw on one plane while looking at another. Of course they're a lot more expensive. I've never looked into it before but I assume those are the ones they'd use at Disney.

Well, I can't speak from personal experience, but it seems that when technology moves along, something good always gets lost in the process. Whether or not I grow comfortable with the tablets, I will always be a fan of paper and pencil. It seems to me that it feels more like actual labor than using a digital tool. I guess I'm one to talk, loving computer and all that, but once again, technology moves faster than is sometimes ideal.

ajmrowland wrote:I dont like this change. It may be more "green", but it seems to me like they'd be losing the actual feel of the artwork than just switching pads and saving money on pencils. I just don't like it. I know something's(or someone) gonna be screwed.

I doubt you would even notice. ever see the "how to hook up your hometheater" goofy short? did you think for a second it wasn't done on paper?

I saw the short and, come to think of it, it does like some of it was done on paper, but much of it looks like it could've been done on a computer.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780521/releaseinfo

Bollocks. It seems as though my predictions were too optimistic. It looks like the UK has to wait till February to see this movie.

Australia is getting it on Boxing day?! they better stick to that! So sick of recieving Pixar/Disney films 6 months late.

It must suck, considering Australia is an english-speaking country. I can see waiting 6 months for a dub, but for movie of native language? Obviously, no first-class shipping for those prints.

There is no difference in final animation between paper and Cintiq. After drawing are digitalised they're touched upon in such a way that it will end up looking exactly like the drawings done on Cintiq.

DisneyJedi wrote:........... Great. Now I'm even more worried that this movie might do badly.

So no worries. I'm pretty sure there's more computer animation in Treasure Planet and Atlantis (both of wich are over 7 years old) than in The Princess and the Frog.

Am I the only one who is a bit worried that we havent seen much of anything new with this film (footage, trailers, animation, story notes, etc) that's due to be released 9 months from now? It used to be we would see all kinds of stuff for animated films a year before they are even released. I might just be acting paranoid though.

Surely a major trailer for this film is due when Up is released, right?

usually, not much is shown until the 6 month mark is passed.

Hot new pics everyone! I'm getting so excited for this movie!

'Story book and Movie projector"? I'd stick with the learn to draw book.

Gosh - Princess Tiana is so pretty! I'm really happy with the way she turned out. I REALLY hope this movie does well for Disney and is a huge success. Thanks for posting, sortiris!