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Farerb wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:15 pm I also had issues with the trailer but I didn't want to say anything because I feel that I might have been too negative about the film that it was too dispiriting to people, but then others went on to say exactly what I felt, especially The Disneynerd.
I will only add that the trailer felt like something Disney Toons would make, like those Tinker Bell movies.

Aw thanks Farerb! Glad I'm not the only one thinking this way. Also was afraid that I come off as too mean but critizising and speaking your truth is always better than acting like everything is good to consume just because majority says so. I also think it has Disney Toon DNA, feels more like a fanmade movie or Disney Spin off of the brand based on the story and animation.

Farerb wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:15 pm Unfortunately:

Farerb wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 12:52 am I did pre order the art book because I thought that the art they presented at D23 was beautiful, but I may cancel my order if I don't like the teaser or the trailer.

CANCELLED!
I might get it after I watch the movie and if I like it.

Oh thats unfortunate but clearly understandable! I think im still getting it though! Got all the revival ones up to Encanto except Strange World of course (still havent watched the movie and dont plan to ). I love Disney Artbooks and all the background animation so what Wish could have been drives me for this book

D82 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 9:04 pm There's also some new concept art in these articles:

https://thathashtagshow.com/2023/09/27/ ... ess-event/
https://geekvibesnation.com/truly-a-fil ... ess-event/
https://www.laughingplace.com/w/disney- ... rytelling/
https://attractionsmagazine.com/walt-di ... e-of-wish/

Oh the links dont work for me Really unfortunate cause me lovesssssss concept art

D82 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 9:04 pm

Farerb wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:56 pm He's also not there when Asha shows the group the dancing chickens.

You're right. It seems he'll be separated from the group quite early on.

I dont know why but I think its a tribute to Phoebus where he works for the law and kingdom and over time learns the truth and fights along for whats right

Sotiris wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 9:55 pm

The Disneynerd wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:04 pmWhat makes the movie seem weak to me is that there is no real emotional Personal attachment to it unlike other timeless movies (Frozen with being afraid of what others think of you, Aladdin with playing a role to feel worthy, and Tiana with feeling like youre so close to your dreams and feeling helpless to reach them etc.) ALL things people can relate to and DRIVE people to root for them and seeing yourself in them, but this?....nope. Just because Asha is a Person with moral doesnt automatically make her likable or relatable, and if "trying to make the wishes for others true" is the message of the story...

It probably feels that way because Asha doesn't have a dream of her own. All she wants is to help her family/community. Disney heroines nowadays are not allowed to have dreams or desires that might be seen as selfish.

Youre completely right Sotiris! Its as if Asha only lives for others! The aspect of dreams and goals are what makes the characters so remarkable and you could argue that Disney heroines have done something like this before, like Esmeralda for example (where she was fighting for everyones Justice and equality) but what distinguishes her from Asha is that she wasnt only doing it for others, but also for herself, as her community and herself were treated unfairly. Or Kida, where she fought for Atlantis and her community, but also because she could have lost her family and her home, her world and existence were threatened too, so her actions were also reasonable and relatable, again, unlike Asha. To make sure that everyones wish gets granted doesnt seem reasonable enough to start a riot in my opinion.
Unlike any other Disney character, Asha has nothing to loose or to risk.
And if Disney really thinks that having dreams is an act of selfishness ... dreams are what keep people alive! (atleast in my case ) Having personal goals for yourself is nothing to feel bad for. The dream part is what makes my favourite Disney characters my favourites, like Belle, Rapunzel & Ariel, Aladdin, their dreams are what makes it able for me to see myself in them, not how their destinctive personalities are, their worldviews or how they look, THATS the universal thing, not the "u need to be always nice and friendly to everything" i mean being nice is also great but thats not an aspect that makes me wanna be bestfriends with someone... thats why I think villains are sometimes even more interesting or more memorable than the main heroes, like Hades or Queen of hearts or Cruella for example. (Thats why on tiktok or youtube there are always those videos with the villain being the most relatable character for 8 minutes straight ) u dont have those moments with the perfect hero characters that play it too save.

For me making a good movie should start with something personal or something you struggle with and a loose idea what your character learns with that, AFTERWARDS find a fairytale (or story) that deals with something similar or with characters that already offer the same overall idea or moral and then you can build upon that and adapt it , add your little twist and naturally make it your own! (Aladdin was build like that I think and look how great and timeless it turned out to be )
But Disney not the other way around! Dont start by adapting a Fairytale because its popular or interesting and then having to struggle to find the heart of the story only to figure out there is nothing emotional or relatable for you in the story that makes it work out (Frozen 2 ), leading to its cancellation (looking at u, dear GIGANTIC)

Farerb wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:40 pm Didn't Jennifer Lee say Asha was an activist? Or am I confusing her with Snow White? Seems like these two movies have a lot in common.

Lol youre right. Thats the problem with those 2. Those 2 characters only life for their community with no personal goals on their own Actually it sounds good on paper, but the execution seems forced and unnatural. It could work out great if you have your own personal dream and goal at the beginning of the movie, but later have to learn to sacrifice your dream in order to do whats your duty for your community: For example new Snow White could start off as this naive lovely innocent girl that longs for a prince to rescue her, but throughout the movie, having to learn that she has to put matters into her own hands and becomes this hero person to her kingdom she can still have her romantic relationship in the end . But FULLY denying love and to start off the movie with only being an activist? #notrelatable

Farerb wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 4:07 am 'Wish' Co-Writer Jennifer Lee Reveals What Makes Asha Such a Relatable Character
https://collider.com/wish-movie-jennifer-lee-interview/

thanks for the link! The article was really interesting! Wow just to think that Disney Animation Studios could consider doing their version of Star Wars or Tron, really interesting (but pls dont do Star Wars thanks)

carolinakid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:38 am
I’d still love to see a fairy tale tale or story set in authentic Spain.

me too carolinakid!

I saw people mentioning that the women in the movie wear skirts or dresses, but Hal wears pants, which might be an evidence of the character being non binary:

Farerb wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:40 pmDidn't Jennifer Lee say Asha was an activist? Or am I confusing her with Snow White? Seems like these two movies have a lot in common.

I don't believe she was explicitly referred to as an "activist", but essentially that's what she is. Asha would have been much more relatable if she had a dream of her own. She could have been longing for love or human connection. She could have been a misfit or an outcast who wanted to fit in and be accepted by her peers. She could have wanted to prove her worth or escape her lowly station in life. She could have pursued a talent or a skill she had. Something, anything, that is deeply personal and leads to self-actualization.

The Disneynerd wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:28 amThe aspect of dreams and goals are what makes the characters so remarkable and you could argue that Disney heroines have done something like this before, like Esmeralda for example (where she was fighting for everyones Justice and equality) but what distinguishes her from Asha is that she wasnt only doing it for others, but also for herself, as her community and herself were treated unfairly. Or Kida, where she fought for Atlantis and her community, but also because she could have lost her family and her home, her world and existence were threatened too, so her actions were also reasonable and relatable, again, unlike Asha. To make sure that everyones wish gets granted doesnt seem reasonable enough to start a riot in my opinion. Unlike any other Disney character, Asha has nothing to loose or to risk.

That's exactly right. Characters like Kida, Esmeralda or Mulan had personal stakes and goals in addition to caring about their family and community. Asha doesn't seem to have that.

Farerb wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:42 amI saw people mentioning that the women in the movie wear skirts or dresses, but Hal wears pants, which might be an evidence of the character being non binary.

You can tell which character will be LBGT based on who is voicing them, something that wasn't true in the past. That's why we already know Gabo is gay and Hal non-binary. Nowadays a character needs to reflect every marginalized community an actor belongs to and vice versa.

Sotiris wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:14 pm

Farerb wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:40 pmDidn't Jennifer Lee say Asha was an activist? Or am I confusing her with Snow White? Seems like these two movies have a lot in common.

I don't believe she was explicitly referred to as an "activist", but essentially that's what she is. Asha would have been much more relatable if she had a dream of her own. She could have been longing for love or human connection. She could have been a misfit or an outcast who wanted to fit in and be accepted by her peers. She could have wanted to prove her worth or escape her lowly station in life. She could have pursued a talent or a skill she had. Something, anything, that is deeply personal and leads to self-actualization.

The Disneynerd wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:28 amThe aspect of dreams and goals are what makes the characters so remarkable and you could argue that Disney heroines have done something like this before, like Esmeralda for example (where she was fighting for everyones Justice and equality) but what distinguishes her from Asha is that she wasnt only doing it for others, but also for herself, as her community and herself were treated unfairly. Or Kida, where she fought for Atlantis and her community, but also because she could have lost her family and her home, her world and existence were threatened too, so her actions were also reasonable and relatable, again, unlike Asha. To make sure that everyones wish gets granted doesnt seem reasonable enough to start a riot in my opinion. Unlike any other Disney character, Asha has nothing to loose or to risk.

That's exactly right. Characters like Kida, Esmeralda or Mulan had personal stakes and goals in addition to caring about their family and community. Asha doesn't seem to have that.

Farerb wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:42 amI saw people mentioning that the women in the movie wear skirts or dresses, but Hal wears pants, which might be an evidence of the character being non binary.

You can tell which character will be LBGT based on who is voicing them, something that wasn't true in the past. That's why we already know Gabo is gay and Hal non-binary. Nowadays a character needs to reflect every marginalized community an actor belongs to and vice versa.

If everything you learned is that big of a problem, then I guess you can always, oh I dunno. Not watch it, in fact, i think you should find some other company that will do everything you want. There's literally nothing left for you to like clearly. all of you can piss off, because it's clear there's nothing you like about it. Go ahead, everyone else wants Disney to die out, cut the bullshit and admit it. You guys can go and make your own fucking 2d animated movies if you think it's truly dead.

I watched the trailer again and the plot reminds me of Wicked. The heroine is going to become King's apprentice but then she realizes that the king is not what she tought and defys him. Then she's accussed of beeing a traitor and he tries to manipulate the people from the kingdom against her.

Farerb wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 12:16 pm From tomorrow, my favorite time period of a new Disney animated musical release is about to begin. We're gonna get the full trailer, and then clips and featurettes, spoilers from books...
And then the fake critics will post their reactions on social media, the soundtrack will be released, we'll post our thoughts on the songs, and the embargo will be lifted and the real critics will publish their reviews.
Culminating in us, in theaters, watching the film and then post our thoughts here.
Fun times ahead.

You sure about that? Cause I see the exact opposite "fun times ahead" My ASS! At this point are any of you actually seeing it? just admit at this point, it'd save you the embarrassment of being a fickle little idiot.

Mooky wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:59 pm I guess this is the new version of "it's the story that matters, not the medium" corporate BS speak. To hear Lee, a creative, say hand-drawn animation is limiting in terms of characterization, is beyond defeating. If anything, hand-drawn animation is superior when it comes to characters emoting and characters acting, those very things that give characters their personality.

Unless you're making an effects heavy/action movie, camera movements should be on the very bottom of the list of reasons why you opt for one medium over another. Gorgeous, breath-taking, sweeping shots have successfully been produced in hand-drawn films before.

This is super disappointing.

However, Lee said their upcoming short, Once Upon a Studio, ended up becoming the project that celebrates Disney’s 2D and 3D traditions. “We didn't know if it would work, and it did,” she shared.

It works in theory. In practice, characters look subpar and you relegated it to Disney+. And apparently you don't mind mining 2D animation when people need to be reminded of Disney's legacy and when you need to sell a product, but heaven forbid you actually do something new and concrete with it.

Long story short, don't expect any real return of hand-drawn animation.

EDIT: I've browsed several comment sections under the trailer, both on YT and Instagram, and a lot of people who don't appear to be animation aficionados are asking why the animation looks "unfinished". That speaks volumes about this "technology that could finally take away limitations."

How about you get off your ass and make something 2d animated yourself then, you can always not watch this thing, plenty of people to take your place, you think anyone complaining about the animation is gonna even make up 10% of sales, or lack theorf? Wahhh wahhh, I want my cartoons animated on a piece of paper instead of a computer! Cry harder, seriously.

So anyone else wants to take a potshot at this movie?! Step right up. Jesus, you'd assume your not fans of anything Disney based on how you all drawl on about the most nitpicking ass details. Yet I bet money that if DreamWorks or any other animation studio did this, you'd be all on your knees chomping on their junk! Doesn't Nimona have this EXACT same type of atrstyle?! Heard nobody say a GODDAMN thing, not one. call me a shill or whatever the hell, but I'm not wrong!

Sotiris, there are age limits for joining the forum, aren't there? I'm sensing some unchecked tween anger here.

Everyone please ignore the posts made by the new member Tacs who has now been banned. He's an infamous troll who lurks forums and comment sections trying to bait people and start flame wars.

I'm not sure how often Disney releases second trailers, but if they do I think it will be released around October 17th the same time when Frozen released their second trailer.

Director Fawn had released an Instagram Story saying that they have just started color timing (or color grading) today. I'm not familiar with the animation process, so I'm not sure if color grading can save the animation from looking flat and unfinished.

I’m kind of disappointed no one has given me their thoughts on a Peep Show version of Wish.

The concept art is gorgeous! It makes me want to own the art book once it comes out.

UmbrellaFish wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:29 pmThere. Is. A. Meaning. To. This!!! I just know it, lol.

To me, it seems like this is from the end of the movie where the Queen will thank Asha for what she's done for the kingdom and offer her the job of Magnifico to grant wishes. Asha will obviously find a better way to do things so everyone can have the chance to make their wish come true. Maybe even by stop relying on magic and working on it the old-fashioned way. In any case, I think it will reference the end of Mulan and her meeting with the Emperor. I don't believe the Queen will be a twist villain, not only because Disney has moved away from that, but also because she's a female character and modern Disney likes to put forth a female solidarity/anti-patriarchy message in their product.

But is this the first Disney movie that ends in a divorce? I’m not trying being glib… usually if a character is a villain, their partner is deceased. If Queen Amaya is still alive and married to the evil Magnifico, she must impact the story in some significant way… or maybe it’s just poor writing.

I don't believe the Queen will play a big part in the film. The story was even conceived without her.

Q: I don’t know if it’s just a result of things changing and shifting and evolving, and then realizing that there’s something needed that wasn’t there yet, but with these animated movies, it seems like there’s always a character that gets added late in the game. Is there one that got added to Wish? Is there a character that you can’t imagine the film without now, but that wasn’t there, in the beginning?

Jennifer Lee: The queen wasn’t there, in the beginning, but she was there early enough that, when I was in the writing stage, she had already come. She’s been one of my favorite additions to it.

Source: https://collider.com/wish-movie-jennifer-lee-interview/

The Disneynerd wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:28 am Oh the links dont work for me Really unfortunate cause me lovesssssss concept art

Oh, I'm sorry. Anyway, Farerb has posted all the concept art from those articles. Here are a couple more:


Source: https://thenerdsofcolor.org/2023/09/28/ ... ven-songs/


Source: https://thenerdsofcolor.org/2023/09/28/ ... dios-wish/

The Disneynerd wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:28 am I dont know why but I think its a tribute to Phoebus where he works for the law and kingdom and over time learns the truth and fights along for whats right

That's possible.

Sotiris wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:14 pm You can tell which character will be LBGT based on who is voicing them, something that wasn't true in the past. That's why we already know Gabo is gay and Hal non-binary. Nowadays a character needs to reflect every marginalized community an actor belongs to and vice versa.

It seems that's not only true for LGBT characters. Dahlia's voice actress, for example, also has a disability in real life according to IMDb. I doubt Asha will be bisexual like Ariana DeBose, though. I mean, she might be, but most likely she won't have a love interest and I don't think they'll reveal anything about her sexual orientation.

reee9948 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 3:09 pm Director Fawn had released an Instagram Story saying that they have just started color timing (or color grading) today. I'm not familiar with the animation process, so I'm not sure if color grading can save the animation from looking flat and unfinished.

I'm not an expert either, but I don't think that'll have an effect on the animation itself.

ElMaximo13 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 3:21 pm I’m kind of disappointed no one has given me their thoughts on a Peep Show version of Wish.

I haven't seen that show. It sounds interesting, but I think that approach would be a bit too complicated for a family film like Wish whose main target audience is children.

Sotiris wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 4:57 pm To me, it seems like this is from the end of the movie where the Queen will thank Asha for what she's done for the kingdom and offer her the job of Magnifico to grant wishes. Asha will obviously find a better way to do things so everyone can have the chance to make their wish come true. Maybe even by stop relying on magic and working on it the old-fashioned way. In any case, I think it will reference the end of Mulan and her meeting with the Emperor.

That sounds likely.

UmbrellaFish wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:13 pm But is this the first Disney movie that ends in a divorce?

Perhaps Magnifico is redeemed by the end and they don't have to split or she doesn't need to become a widow.

Speaking of Amaya, here are official pictures of the petite set and some more info about her from an article about Wish's characters:

QUEEN AMAYA is the wife and sounding board of King Magnifico. The kind and confident queen champions Asha in her pursuit of the one of the most coveted roles in the kingdom: the King’s apprentice. She is loving and devoted to her husband, but she’s not afraid to share her opinion with the ruler of Rosas. Filmmakers saw Amaya and Magnifico as a power couple—both in personality and appearance. “We looked at real-life power couples—people who are total winners,” says Bill Schwab, art director, characters. “Amaya and Magnifico look great together. They’re aspirational—larger than life. They command a room.”

Angelique Cabral lends her voice to Queen Amaya. “She has a comedy background and such warmth to her voice,” says Kim. “When we cut Angelique’s voice with Chris Pine’s, everyone felt they paired so well together.”

Source: https://mamasgeeky.com/2023/09/disneys- ... ained.html

Among other things, the article also reveals Asha's mother is a seamstress and makes Valentino's pajamas, says the wish-granting ceremony takes place once a month and only one person gets their wish granted each time, and confirms Dhalia is a baker or that each Teen wears the same color pallete as the dwarf they're inspired by and their names begin with the same letter.

I hope the movie is good because the trailer is very streaming service movie...

Also the animation is ugly AF