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rodis wrote: Not to go off topic but in Pocahontas' defense, I must say that it also opened at #1 to impressive numbers and was critically acclaimed upon its release (though it was often ranked lower than its four predecessors). It's only in hindsight that people "realized" they actually didn't like it at all.

Really? I'm not denying that it was well received criticially, but looking at the majority of the reviews from 1995 on the Internet were negative and the majority of people that I knew didn't like it at all. There are some rumors that people on the boards back in 1995 were pretty hostile towards it.

DisneyFan09 wrote:

rodis wrote: Not to go off topic but in Pocahontas' defense, I must say that it also opened at #1 to impressive numbers and was critically acclaimed upon its release (though it was often ranked lower than its four predecessors). It's only in hindsight that people "realized" they actually didn't like it at all.

Really? I'm not denying that it was well received criticially, but looking at the majority of the reviews from 1995 on the Internet were negative and the majority of people that I knew didn't like it at all. There are some rumors that people on the boards back in 1995 were pretty hostile towards it.

Ironically, Pocahontas was expected to be the one who would bring home the acclaim and the Lion King was only thought as fodder. I think one thing that Big Hero 6 that Pocahontas had that made it more successful is that it didn't have the race moral to juggle with. I know that when it was released there was a lot of racial hot topics at the time. While Big Hero 6 does have a multiracial cast and setting, the main focus was never on a racial message but on loss, the wonders that science can give us, and brotherly bonds.

jazzflower92 wrote:[
Ironically, Pocahontas was expected to be the one who would bring home the acclaim and the Lion King was only thought as fodder. I think one thing that Big Hero 6 that Pocahontas had that made it more successful is that it didn't have the race moral to juggle with. I know that when it was released there was a lot of racial hot topics at the time. While Big Hero 6 does have a multiracial cast and setting, the main focus was never on a racial message but on loss, the wonders that science can give us, and brotherly bonds.

That's true.

I love "Pocahontas" myself, despite it's flaws.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.... trying to parallel the 90's animated features to today's group is ridiculous! There is no psychic connection between Frog and Mermaid, Tangled and Beast, Frozen and Lion King etc. It's all in your head if you think one mirrors the other in terms of how it will be received. This is a new era and these films are not tied to the fates of any order of success/failure relating to the 90's.

The Disney company of today clearly has no intention of over saturating the public with the "Broadway musical" formula that wore out it's welcome with one after the other back then, and I assure you they are not sitting there right now thinking "how can we make or not make Zootopia parallel Hunchback?"

DancingCrab wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again.... trying to parallel the 90's animated features to today's group is ridiculous! There is no psychic connection between Frog and Mermaid, Tangled and Beast, Frozen and Lion King etc. It's all in your head if you think one mirrors the other in terms of how it will be received. This is a new era and these films are not tied to the fates of any order of success/failure relating to the 90's.

The Disney company of today clearly has no intention of over saturating the public with the "Broadway musical" formula that wore out it's welcome with one after the other back then, and I assure you they are not sitting there right now thinking "how can we make or not make Zootopia parallel Hunchback?"

Yeah, I do feel this era is something different from the ones in the 90's. Like they are not doing the Broadway musical to death which made many people get sick of them and latch on to things like Shrek in the early 2000's. One thing they are doing is mixing it up back and forth between musicals and non-musicals. They are also like in the 2000's experimenting with different types of stories besides fairy tales, myths, legends, or novels. Zootopia for instance is a original idea that one could say more at home with DreamWorks but with a right amount of good work it can have the Disney touch. I do think Zootopia will be compared more to Robin Hood and Chicken Little. I have a feeling Moana will actually be compared to Mulan because of the fact they both feature something based on a certain culture based folkore that is not that known. In Moana it features the Polynesian hero Maui who will probably be quite well known once the movie is out. With that in mind it might even be compared to Hercules in some aspects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ui_(mythology)

DancingCrab wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again.... trying to parallel the 90's animated features to today's group is ridiculous! There is no psychic connection between Frog and Mermaid, Tangled and Beast, Frozen and Lion King etc. It's all in your head if you think one mirrors the other in terms of how it will be received. This is a new era and these films are not tied to the fates of any order of success/failure relating to the 90's.

The Disney company of today clearly has no intention of over saturating the public with the "Broadway musical" formula that wore out it's welcome with one after the other back then, and I assure you they are not sitting there right now thinking "how can we make or not make Zootopia parallel Hunchback?"

The only thing the current animated roster has in common with the 90s roster is that both eras were kick-started by a princess feature. This was the main emphasis of The Art of The Princess and the Frog.

Some people are saying about this movie is that its a reconstruction of the Science Hero trope. Indeed this movie does show the wonders of science and how it can be used to improve everyday living. Not to mention how technology is the source of everyone's powers in this movie.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScienceHero

Honestly, it might be better to compare Frozen/BH6 to Nemo/The Incredibles more than TLK/Pochontas.

Avaitor wrote:Honestly, it might be better to compare Frozen/BH6 to Nemo/The Incredibles more than TLK/Pochontas.

Yeah...no.
Pixar are on a whole different level to Disney, a step up from them. Anyway they do very different films. Like Glen Keane said Disney is 'once upon a time,' while Pixar is 'what if.' These statements are very true. Disney creates old age classic like films, while Pixar creates modern films with realistic themes. This can be said for Disney as well in some circumstances as they begin to evolve to modern audiences, but I think comparing Disney to Pixar is not a good idea.
Comparing films to each other, personally, isn't effective. Films are different in their own right. For example, comparing 2001: A Space Odyssey to Interstellar is risky. Though both sharing the same genre and basis, time periods play a big role in separating the two with better technology and cinema techniques.

The idea that Pixar is on a whole other level than Disney is asinine. Regardless, he wasn't talking about comparing them thematically, but as far as how the films were received. TI wasn't nearly as huge as FN, but it wasn't a big fall/game-ender like Pocahontas was following TLK.

jazzflower92 wrote: Yeah, I do feel this era is something different from the ones in the 90's. Like they are not doing the Broadway musical to death which made many people get sick of them and latch on to things like Shrek in the early 2000's. One thing they are doing is mixing it up back and forth between musicals and non-musicals. They are also like in the 2000's experimenting with different types of stories besides fairy tales, myths, legends, or novels. Zootopia for instance is a original idea that one could say more at home with DreamWorks but with a right amount of good work it can have the Disney touch.

True, Disney are doing more variety now. Almost all of their features in the 90's (with the exception of "Rescuers Down Under" and "Fantasia 2000") followed the same pattern and were musicals about outcasts/loners and they all had a love subplot, comic sidekicks and villains. I haven't seen "Winnie the Pooh" yet, but it seems as Disney are using the most iconic components on the Princess movies currently.

I do think Zootopia will be compared more to Robin Hood and Chicken Little.

Hopefully. Although "Robin Hood" isn't among Disney's most beloved work, at least it has a bit more credibility than "Chicken Little" and I prefer the former. "Chicken Little" is hampered by being dramatically uneven and quite sappy on it's sentimental parts and being blatant and annoying during the most frenetic parts, although I personally enjoyed the first twenty minutes or so and the pop culture references.

DisneyFan09 wrote:

jazzflower92 wrote: Yeah, I do feel this era is something different from the ones in the 90's. Like they are not doing the Broadway musical to death which made many people get sick of them and latch on to things like Shrek in the early 2000's. One thing they are doing is mixing it up back and forth between musicals and non-musicals. They are also like in the 2000's experimenting with different types of stories besides fairy tales, myths, legends, or novels. Zootopia for instance is a original idea that one could say more at home with DreamWorks but with a right amount of good work it can have the Disney touch.

True, Disney are doing more variety now. Almost all of their features in the 90's (with the exception of "Rescuers Down Under" and "Fantasia 2000") followed the same pattern and were musicals about outcasts/loners and they all had a love subplot, comic sidekicks and villains. I haven't seen "Winnie the Pooh" yet, but it seems as Disney are using the most iconic components on the Princess movies currently.

I do think Zootopia will be compared more to Robin Hood and Chicken Little.

Hopefully. Although "Robin Hood" isn't among Disney's most beloved work, at least it has a bit more credibility than "Chicken Little" and I prefer the former. "Chicken Little" is hampered by being dramatically uneven and quite sappy on it's sentimental parts and being blatant and annoying during the most frenetic parts, although I personally enjoyed the first twenty minutes or so and the pop culture references.

You know I notice how in this current era Disney has gotten better at handling pop culture references. The thing that I like is that they do research into current culture but at the same time don't try too hard to be totally radical. Besides being radical is a relic from the 90's. Although I do hear that a lot of 90's stuff is becoming retro.

I saw it this past Sunday and totally blew my expectations out of the water. I'm planning on going back to see it this Friday. Not only because it's a great film, but I can get a Baymax Pin. At AMC Theaters starting this Friday a Baymax Pin will be given away. Most people will get Baymax in his personal healthcare assistant look but one out of 10 pins has him in his armor but this is only available to AMC Stubz Members

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxg4pSBfAcI#t=11[/youtube]

https://www.amctheatres.com/offers/big-hero-6-giveaway



Also regarding the song Immortals, It's beginning to grow on me, but that music video was done poorly. Heck a fan did it better justice

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN87V9IvtMU[/youtube]

2 other fan music videos that I found and I adore are for songs that were used in the trailers.

First up is Light Em' Up by Fallout Boy

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbwxTwI991I[/youtube]

The other one is Top of the World by Greek Fire which was featured in the second trailer I believe

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_-3ieQKtS0[/youtube]

I've seen it three times, now. One thing dawned on me, and I could be wrong, but I don't think the movie displays the title at the beginning (you know, like in Frozen where you have the ice block title floating around until it centers on a certain swirling snowflake, or in Wreck-It Ralph when he has a puzzled look on his face at the end of his Bad-Anon meeting).

Does anyone else recall seeing the title at the beginning? I know at the very end of the movie they display it when Hiro says, "We are" and then the Big Hero 6 logo pops up.

I know everyone is sick to death about this particular topic, but this (fan made) New Yorker cover made me chuckle:

RyGuy wrote:I've seen it three times, now. One thing dawned on me, and I could be wrong, but I don't think the movie displays the title at the beginning (you know, like in Frozen where you have the ice block title floating around until it centers on a certain swirling snowflake, or in Wreck-It Ralph when he has a puzzled look on his face at the end of his Bad-Anon meeting).

Does anyone else recall seeing the title at the beginning? I know at the very end of the movie they display it when Hiro says, "We are" and then the Big Hero 6 logo pops up.

You're right, the title doesn't appear until the end.

BH6 Easter eggs:
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/find-the-e ... 74303.html

When the old professor head of school guy came into the movie, I was like, "Something about his voice and the way he looks makes me think he's the villain." Then he faked his death and that threw me and I thought he couldn't be in the villain. Then in the end he was the villain and I was like, "Oh, I was right." But much better villain and twist than Hans and his twist.

Anyway, great movie!

EDIT: Actually, Hans was a better villain. More evil, more complex and ambitious plan.

Disneyphile wrote:

RyGuy wrote:I've seen it three times, now. One thing dawned on me, and I could be wrong, but I don't think the movie displays the title at the beginning (you know, like in Frozen where you have the ice block title floating around until it centers on a certain swirling snowflake, or in Wreck-It Ralph when he has a puzzled look on his face at the end of his Bad-Anon meeting).

Does anyone else recall seeing the title at the beginning? I know at the very end of the movie they display it when Hiro says, "We are" and then the Big Hero 6 logo pops up.

You're right, the title doesn't appear until the end.

That has to be a first for a Disney animated movie. Call me old fashion, but I hate to think that it will become the norm for films (if it hasn't already) to not even display the title at the beginning.

I already don't like the fact that films no longer have opening credits at the start. Not to mention, in Disney's case, to not start off with "Walt Disney Presents" or some variation of it to start off an animated film (which I definitely noticed for "Wreck-It Ralph" and "Frozen" as well).

A Look Inside Big Hero 6
http://laughingplace.com/w/articles/201 ... ig-hero-6/

TO 3D OR NOT TO 3D: BUY THE RIGHT BIG HERO 6 TICKET
http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/3D-Or- ... 68056.html

Meet the Guys Behind the Original BH6
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dorothypome ... ig-hero-6/

The Challenge Of 'Big Hero 6': How To Make A Huggable Robot
http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconside ... able-robot

‘Big Hero 6′ strays far from its source material — and that’s great
http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/11/10/big-h ... fferences/

"Immortals" on Vinyl
http://www.stitchkingdom.com/disney-imm ... ber-73268/

THE MONSTER SUPERCOMPUTING ACHIEVEMENT THAT LIGHTS UP DISNEY’S "BIG HERO 6"
http://m.fastcocreate.com/3037877/the-m ... big-hero-6

Inside the 199 million core-hours that created Big Hero 6
http://mobile.geek.com/latest/255233-in ... 6?origref=