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Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:53 pm
by disneyprincess11
taei wrote:A few notes:
The hans thing is really disappointing. He's doing it for power. It's ridiculous. Couldn't they be more creative with him? And if the last we see of him is being punched by Anna then I won't like it. I wanted him to have a big death scene. To serve some justice.
So the trolls do come back.. And Anna and Kristoff? Ugh... Why not Elsa??!! and we do have one more song to add to the list now. The trolls song. I wonder whose going to voice them.
All in all... I AM SO EXCITED FOR THIS MOVIE AND I WANNA WATCH IT RIGHT NOW!!! I WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENS!!
Grrrr, I know! I found a Tumblr page with tons of spoilers and it's like taking of my enrgy to not read it. But, I did learn more minor things from it. I JUST WANT THIS TO COME NOW!
And 2 things:
1) So when do the trolls sing? Totally pumped! I can see Betty White, voicing one
2)
Sometimes, they dumb down the villains' deaths in books. Like when PATF's books came out, one of the book said that Dr. F died by having demons swirling around him and he disappeared. I'm sure that Hans will die. He has to. He sounds too great to get punched in the face and *bam: defeated*
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:32 pm
by taei
disneyprincess11 wrote:
1) So when do the trolls sing? Totally pumped! I can see Betty White, voicing one
They were singing with Anna and Kristoff, and in the end they try to marry them. They are so keen about marrying off Kristoff.
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:55 pm
by disneyprincess11
taei wrote:disneyprincess11 wrote:
1) So when do the trolls sing? Totally pumped! I can see Betty White, voicing one
They were singing with Anna and Kristoff, and in the end they try to marry them. They are so keen about marrying off Kristoff.
Haha, that's so cute!
BTW:
Here's a NEW Animated Poster of Olaf:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71JrGSq_5jw
And he's dancing hip-hop. At least, the animation is nice.
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:09 pm
by jazzflower92
You know I think Hans will be like how Rourke from Atlantis The Lost Empire was unveiled as the villain. The trailers for Atlantis didn't give away who the bad guy was so when I first watched the movie I thought there would be no bad guy until the big reveal in the middle of the story. When I fist watched it in theaters as a kid I kind of dismissed when Rourke said the journey will be enriching for them all.
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:45 am
by taei
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:52 am
by disneyprincess11
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:56 am
by jazzflower92
I have read on some other places on the internet and it looks like some fans are really mad that Elsa doesn't end up with anyone and that Hans was evil.
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:03 pm
by taei
So in the book,
Olaf is completely aware that he was going to be melting if he gets close to the heat. Do you guys think he always knew that or was it something new?
His character is still a mystry to me.. Just how big of a role will he have?
October first is going to be one hectic day.. Little Mermaid on blu-ray and then im going to Barnes and Noble and see what Frozen books they have... X_X I gave up on the element of surprise.
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:52 pm
by Warm Regards
jazzflower92 wrote:I have read on some other places on the internet and it looks like some fans are really mad that Elsa doesn't end up with anyone and that Hans was evil.
I really don't want to stir the pot but from what I have been reading on other sites...
Some people don't think the ending is fair. Anna gets both her relationship with her sister back and a romance with Kristoff. Meanwhile, Elsa, who had to conceal her emotions for many years in order to keep her ice powers a secret, just gets sisterly reconciliation. And if the troll wedding ending is true, she also has to watch Anna get married.
Personally, I think that if she's cool with being back home, accepted by her people, and watching Anna find romance, I don't see much of an issue.
Oh, and some people are mad that Hans is bad because it sunk the Elsa x Hans ship. Which while cute, I think would be hard to convincingly put in a 90-minute movie. 
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:55 pm
by disneyprincess11
Grrrrr, so tempted to read
Oh, BTW:
More Details on World of Color: Winter Dreams
Disney Parks Blog revealed more news on what the holiday edition of World of Color: Winter Dreams will be like. This special editiong of the popular nighttime spectacular will be hosted by Olaf, the snowman from Disney’s upcoming animated film, “Frozen.” And here is what the segments will consist of.
Snow - A breathtaking ride through winter
Glow - A festive exploration of light
Enchantment - a Disney•Pixar Toy Story version of The Nutcracker
Spirit - A joyous sing-a-long
Merry & Bright - a fantastic finale that features holiday light
But there’s one more segment that will truly be magical. Disneyland Annual Passholders have the special opportunity to create a seasons greetings card that could appear in the show! Yes, guests can create a card of what they think the winter holidays bring to everyone. It can be creative, expressive, and whatever they want it to be. Here are some rules to follow.
Only one card per person allowed.
Card must be accompanied by a Requirement and Agreement form which can be found here:
http://bit.ly/17umYl5 You can submit the card with the singed form by mail or in person. Cards without the signed form will not be accepted.
Due to anticipated number of submissions, receipt of card can’t be acknowledged, nor returned. If your card appears in the show, credit might not be made.
You can send you card by postage with your signed Requirement and Agreement form to World of Color - Winter Dreams, 700 W. Bell Rd., MC:9200 / TDA 366x, Anaheim, CA 92802. Card must be submitted by September 20, 2013.
Who else is excited to see this? And will you create a card for the show?
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:05 pm
by jazzflower92
Warm Regards wrote:jazzflower92 wrote:I have read on some other places on the internet and it looks like some fans are really mad that Elsa doesn't end up with anyone and that Hans was evil.
I really don't want to stir the pot but from what I have been reading on other sites...
Some people don't think the ending is fair. Anna gets both her relationship with her sister back and a romance with Kristoff. Meanwhile, Elsa, who had to conceal her emotions for many years in order to keep her ice powers a secret, just gets sisterly reconciliation. And if the troll wedding ending is true, she also has to watch Anna get married.
Personally, I think that if she's cool with being back home, accepted by her people, and watching Anna find romance, I don't see much of an issue.
Oh, and some people are mad that Hans is bad because it sunk the Elsa x Hans ship. Which while cute, I think would be hard to convincingly put in a 90-minute movie.
Same here and personally I think its better for Elsa if she didn't have a romantic subplot because the main thing about her story is coming to terms with herself. Furthermore I think Hans is a deconstruction of the prince charming archetype but in a more subtle way. Everything so far set up about him screams that he will be the played straight love interest until his true colors come to life. I also think that is the reason why he has the horse Lemon because it further trick people into thinking he was good. Most villains would have obviously evil looking animal companions but for this guy has the traditional charismatic horse that won't tip people off.
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:09 pm
by Sotiris
Warm Regards wrote:And if the troll wedding ending is true, she also has to watch Anna get married.
The troll wedding doesn't happen in the end and Elsa is not present.
My issue with
only Anna having a love interest is that they're using the same tired trope of having the leads go on a journey together and fall in love. It would had been so refreshing if Anna and Kristoff didn't end up together.
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:18 pm
by jazzflower92
You know Hans reminds me a bit of Akio Ohtori Revolutionary Girl Utena in how both are manipulative of other people .
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:03 pm
by unprincess
jazzflower92 wrote:unprincess wrote:Jim Hawkins would look like a baby next to Elsa
I think better him than the flood storm of fan fictions pairing Elsa with Hans even when its revealed he is a villain.
Calm down. I like Jim Hawkins. He just looks kinda young next to Elsa.
And I dont care if Elsa ends up without a guy, I just liked the idea of Hans being a good guy.
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:18 pm
by jazzflower92
unprincess wrote:jazzflower92 wrote:
I think better him than the flood storm of fan fictions pairing Elsa with Hans even when its revealed he is a villain.
Calm down. I like Jim Hawkins. He just looks kinda young next to Elsa.
And I dont care if Elsa ends up without a guy, I just liked the idea of Hans being a good guy.
You do have a point since Hawkins is fifteen years old while Elsa is twenty one years old.
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:23 pm
by Candy-Bonita95
Guys, I am worried about the quality of the script. If you piece all the spoilers put together,it doesn't make sense. I don't see the significance of Hans being downwright evil with no development. The other characters are strongly developed,but having this villain pop out off nowhere is just off.
Another thing I will adress is the possible death of Hans. Does Anna kill him?That would be the first self-defense move from protagonist to antagonist in years.
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:44 pm
by Sotiris
Candy-Bonita95 wrote:Does Anna kill him?That would be the first self-defense move from protagonist to antagonist in years.
It's not clear
if Hans dies. There were three pages missing from the ending. Last time Hans was referenced was this one: "Then, with all her might, she punched him in the face. Hans fell backward into the water".
What I don't get about
Hans is why he saved Elsa when one of the Duke's guards tried to kill her. It doesn't make any sense nor it serves any purpose other than to fool the audience about his character.
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:58 pm
by Warm Regards
Sotiris wrote:My issue with only Anna having a love interest is that they're using the same tired trope of having the leads go on a journey together and fall in love. It would had been so refreshing if Anna and Kristoff didn't end up together.
If I may ask: would you have preferred
Anna remaining single but Elsa getting a guy, or neither one ending up with romance?
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:07 pm
by Sotiris
Warm Regards wrote:If I may ask: would you have preferred Anna remaining single but Elsa getting a guy, or neither one ending up with romance?
I don't have a problem with
romance, just with the specific trope so I wouldn't mind if Elsa or Anna had a love interest or not. I just dislike the fact they used the same tired trope of having the leads who don't really like each other at the beginning, go on a journey together and fall in love. It's been done to death.
By the way, I was surprised that Elsa's role in the film was smaller than I anticipated. I thought the narrative would have revolved around Elsa more, that it would be her story but it's more Anna's story after all.
Re: Frozen: Part IV
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:16 pm
by taei
I think that what we read was condensed and shallow. I don't think it went into detail at all. I still think the novel is different from the actual movie.
I just hope that the running time for the movie is at least 1:40. The only thing I hated about Brave was that it was too short.