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oh...mmm we can always learn something more

Isidour wrote:oh...mmm we can always learn something more

...Meaning?

that I didn't knew that Mo was another form to refer an homosexual person

Thanks Jon and Marky!

Well, I don't know if I got carried away, but sorry Divinity and Chernabog[/b]. It seems only pap64 was suggesting gay guys should tone down the pride and commonly stereotypical gay behavior because it was all for show and made gays look bad. And even then, maybe he'll come in here and tell me I got that wrong, too.

Chernobog, sorry about yoru family!

Well Divinity when depressedly thinking about how short life is having lots of pleasure with as many kinds of guys as you can doesn't seem silly or stupid to me, especially if it's part of trying to find the one for you. Going through lots of people to find the one...though I know having sex and dating a person aren't the same, but for a lot of people in goes hand in hand and I can understand.

I will admit, though, I am definately reserved about sex for myself, and I like to think I'm "better" in how I treat sex than people who have so much of it and treat it so casually. But I don't think the ones who do it are silly or stupid or less serious for it, nor do I blame them for making all gays looked at in those ways.

As for Disney being part of girliness...well, that's not what I meant, I really meant Disney is liked by a lot of gays so they can bond over it more than, I dunno, football. Though Disney is often called girly by people and it's definately theatrical.

Disney's Divinity wrote:EDIT: I've been thinking about this for a while, but I probably should stay out of this thread. This section is kind of mostly for blowing off steam and an overly introspective, long-post-making (thread-ruining) poster like me should probably leave well enough alone.

Hey hey hey, no one said that about you, I thought that's what I was! LOL, JK. Please stay. You're gay and have a lot of good reason to be in this thread (duh). Well, unless you don't like it, and if it's just because of me, please don't let me ruin it!

Yes Disney's Divinity please the merrier isn't?
Will you stay?:)

come on, please, don't make me beg

I didn't mean to make that into a dramatic plea for attention. I didn't plan on leaving completely, just not over-posting. Besides, my home computer finally died (I hate when they do that so unexpectedly, because all my files are gone--nothing I can't live without, but still) and I won't be here quite as much as I might normally be anyway--not that that's a bad thing for me. I'm at college right now, though.

Glad you're stayin' after all Divinity!

So anyway, I just wanted to update some peeps on something even though Tim, PrincePhillipFan, might not like it. So here it is: Even though Tim thought he was gay, he still loves the girlfriend he had before this thread made him realize he was attracted to boys. So he was trying to decide if he was gay since he was sexually attracted to boys, but became more in love with and more attracted to this girl than anyone else.

It kind of seemed to me like Tim was sexually attracted to guys, but love is different from sex, so he fell in love with this girl, and through love became attracted to her.

So we talked about it and I came up with, "Not everyone is pansexual, but not everyone is either gay or straight."

Still, there's nothing wrong with identifying yourself as gay if you're mainly attracted to the same sex. Yes, I suppose it's always possible to fall in love and become attracted to the other sex, but that doesn't mean you can't still identify yourself as gay or tell people you're gay. Because if you really are attracted to guys but you tell people you're pansexual, that's not gonna help. LOL.

So what should Tim do? It's up to him, but he could say he's gay but loves his girlfriend, or he could say that he is, indeed, really for real pansexual. Though I don't know if being sexual with someone after you fell for them is the same as being open to all sexes like pansexuality seems to be about. I mean, love and sex may be connected but they're still different. I told him to say he's "his girlfriend sexual" and he said he had told people that before I even said it.

But like I said, if people asked him what he was attracted to, telling people he's pansexual would not reveal that he in fact was always attracted to boys before his girlfriend. I suppose it's about what people want to know, and what you want them to know!

Does Tim know you posted this? Because it's kind of rude if you just go on posting about his personal life with out any discretion from him...

I was gonna say the same thing. After all, there are certain things that are told in confidence, with the intent that it not get repeated unless the person wants it repeated. It's a betrayal of that trust to talk about it openly without their permission/knowledge. And yet right at the beginning, Mike, you say:

So anyway, I just wanted to update some peeps on something even though Tim, PrincePhillipFan, might not like it.



That's like a priest telling a wife that her husband came into the confessional yesterday to admit he's been having an affair with her sister.

albert

So, I havn't really posted in here for a very very very very like over a year ago long time. I thought I'd just randomply plop back in since something that's been weighing on me recently has been mentioned in a couple posts back.

Something that i've never really encountered before, but is starting to flare up, no pun intended, is people remarking how gay i am for being into disney. Sure my room is pretty much a shrine to Sleeping Beauty and some other Disney films, but does that really scream gay. it's not even like there's a lot of pink, i try to balance it all with different things from themed by the film. It just really bothers me. Disney really helped me out when i was dealing with my gayness because Disney presents a world where you are perfect just the way you are, and that's what makes you stonger and a better person. In the worlds presented in the films truth, justice, freedom, and goodness are judged by what's in your heart and nothing else. Even after i explain all of that people still look at me with a dumb face. seriously, what is wrong with the world that people can't deny that it's crap but can't see what can make it a billion times better.

And just to put my 2 cents in about flaming gays and so forth. I lived in a fraternity house for 2 and a half years so i think i have a good insight into the str8 mind. Str8 guys don't neccesarily hate flamers, it's just that they make them feel uncomfortable because them seem so over the top. Most girls aren't even as over the top as a lot of gay guys are and they feel they can justify that by saying they are being themselves so everybody else should just get used to it. Well I like to sing loud and belt disney and mariah carey songs, but should i do that everywhere i go? That is who i am afterall. It's just that a lot of flamming gay guys loose sight of common courtesy and public manners. Overall, str8 guys don't mind flamers after they get the chance to know them but for them to get to know you all you have to do is look and seem sane, lol.

Well, I came out to my best friend last night over the phone, and she said she was "absolutely fine" with it, but I'm still very, very nervous. Coming out makes me feel so vulnerable, and today, although I feel very honest and open now that at least my best friend knows and is okay with it, I also feel very weak and defenseless.

Wish me luck...

Vermin Friends wrote:Well, I came out to my best friend last night over the phone, and she said she was "absolutely fine" with it, but I'm still very, very nervous. Coming out makes me feel so vulnerable, and today, although I feel very honest and open now that at least my best friend knows and is okay with it, I also feel very weak and defenseless.

Wish me luck...

I think that it's perfectly normal to be feeling like that, I know I did. Eventually the feelings will go away as you become more comfortable being around your friend and knowing she knows. If that makes sense

Chernabog_Rocks wrote:

Vermin Friends wrote:Well, I came out to my best friend last night over the phone, and she said she was "absolutely fine" with it, but I'm still very, very nervous. Coming out makes me feel so vulnerable, and today, although I feel very honest and open now that at least my best friend knows and is okay with it, I also feel very weak and defenseless.

Wish me luck...

I think that it's perfectly normal to be feeling like that, I know I did. Eventually the feelings will go away as you become more comfortable being around your friend and knowing she knows. If that makes sense

Perfect sense.

It was really awkward, though. Like, we hugged for like, 10 seconds this morning (I would her I wanted to last night, during the conversation), but the during like, recess she sorta avoided me (possibly coincidental), and during lunch, she had her boyfriend come and sit with us so I was practically forced to talk to my frenemy (who I'm desperately trying to be real friends with, since I got over the drama that happened last year).

Then, whenever she or I told a joke, she would sorta laugh, and kinda look at me for a split second, and then ignore me again. Like I said, I still feel so vulnerable, like I can't even laugh without having to think twice. Maybe two-faced? Like, I have to act a certain way so that I'm telling the truth to some degree, but still lying a little to cover the "big truth" up... but again, trying to tell the truth, because someone knows that I'm lying...

Now does that make sense?

Is it always this hard? And are there some signs to look for to know that someone isn't okay with it? What about signs to look for to know that someone might be ready to know? Hmm...

PeterPanFan, Escapay, Tim had already talked about being gay but loving his girlfriend in this thread, I was giving an update. But you're right, I did it without asking. I talked to him and he said it was okay, yay!

As another update, he said he wouldn't want everyone asking questions if he said he was gay but had her, so he's probably just going to say bisexual. I also realized that it wouldn't matter what he was because he's going to be with his girlfriend, so he doesn't need to let anyone know everything about his orientation unless he was looking for someone else, unless he wants to let someone know or his own reasons.

So...Tim haves a girlfriend BUT he think's he's gay because he's atracted to other males?

Wasn't that just bisexuality?

Yeah, Is, I'm a little confused about that too!

Jon

Maybe he wasn't aware of that "what.was-it's-name" scale of Homo-Bi-Heterosexuality?

*sigh* Oy, this is exactly why I didn't want to say anything because I knew I would gete a bunch of questions about it. But apparently Mr Loudmouth couldn't keep quiet. (Just teasing, Mike.)

To me and what I've always been accustomed to hearing, bisexuality refers to finding any member of the opposite or same sex attactive. Like how most bisexual people can find any pretty girl or any handsome guy attractive. With me technically, that's not the case. Outside of my girlfriend, I never felt any real desire or attraction towards the opposite sex. Previously and still, my main attraction is to most men. However, my girlfriend is the one and only person who I ever felt the one true emotion of love with. She makes me feel the way nobody else has ever made me feel before, and have a lot of the same likes and interests, but a few differenes enough to have a very bonding relationship. I think it also stems from the fact that before we met in person, we actually met at another Disney site online and talked for months afterward and got to know each other better. So I basically fell in love with her personality and who she is at first, and after meeting her, I got to find her very attractive physically, and still do.

As for the Kinsey scale, I actually took that back in high school and got about a 4.5 (predominantly homosexual but with instances of heterosexuality) on it, which is where I still think I stand. My main attractions lie towards the same sex rather than an equal attraction for both sexes, but at the same time, I still find my girlfriend very attractive, yet never had or still have any attraction for other women. So I don't know where that really places. As I said, if a person asks, I would probably just tell them I'm bi, since I know if I say either "mostly gay" or "I'm not sure what to classify myself as" they'll just a whole bunch of questions to which I really don't want to bother answering all the time. So whether I should call myself gay, mostly gay, bi, sexual freak of nature, or whatever, I don't know. All I know is I never felt more special than the way my girlfriend makes me feel now, and since I met her, I knew I wanted to be with her.

Also, completely unrelated, but congratulations Vermin Friends! I'm glad that you were able to be open about it towards your friend, and I really hope that you will be able to feel more comfortable about being out soon!

PrincePhillipFan wrote:Also, completely unrelated, but congratulations Vermin Friends! I'm glad that you were able to be open about it towards your friend, and I really hope that you will be able to feel more comfortable about being out soon!

Thank you so much!

I find it hard to tell people that I'm Bi, my country is so closed-minded.

But I guess I will tell my college classmates one day, since they are mature enough to understand that this isn't really my choice to make.

I could live with the fact that people think I'm straight, and just ignore any attraction of the same-sex, but it makes me feel bad in the end coz It makes me feel like a fraud.
Pls don't judge me, you don't know what it's like to live in my country.