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Paka wrote:*in televangelist voice*

Re-PAYNT, Brotha Loomis!! The PAHWAH of CHRAHST compayls yah!!

(translation - Repent, Brother Loomis! The power of Christ compells you!)

paka wrote:As for me, I'm not religious, and I don't plan on "joining the flock" anytime soon. LOL - Christianity is just not to my taste; going to a private Christian school for 7 years kinda took all the flavor out.

Loomis wrote:As for the film in question...

It has taken over 250 million dollarsproving that we either have a lot of people feeling guilty out there, or that all it take to sell people christ is to talk about how a film is ant-semetic or bloody constantly on the news. Or it could have something to do with the fact that people are giving them away!

Rebel wrote: The movie is successful because it is a very well made movie.

poco wrote:MMB wrote:

Also to Ms Poco Dearest here's 2 scriptures I want you to examen

1 Timothy 2: 10-12 - "But in the way that befits women professing to reverence God, namely , through good works. Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence."

1 Cor 14:34 - "Let the Women keep silent in the congregations, for it is not permited for them to speak, but let them be in subjection, even as the Law says."

Like Paul said in 1 Cor 13:5a - "Keep testing whether you are in the faith ........" Ms Poco Dearest This scriptures are not to put any christian women down since their are precious jewels to the congregation. Back in the day devoted christian woman would spread the word of God's kingdom to many non-believers. Paul in many chances praised this brave and godly fearing women! This scriptures show the order in which God wants this TRUE religion, congregation, or church ran.

MMB, I am quite tired of you consistenly taking scripture out of context.

Maybe you should spend some more time with the Bible and some commentaries.

Oh and last time I checked it was Paul, not God who wrote those quotes, and it was also Paul who stated that there is neither greek nor jew, male nor [/b]female.

I will not dignify your bashing of women with another response, because that is exactly what you are doing.

Rev. Poco

Equal but Different

At the birth of the Christian congregation in the year 33 C.E., women along with men were recipients of holy spirit. This is exactly as the prophet Joel had foretold centuries earlier, the apostle Peter explained.-Acts 1:13-15; 2:1-4, 13-18.

Later, Peter came to full realization of another important fact: "God is not partial." (Acts 10:34) Literally, that scripture means that God is not a "taker of faces." A "taker of faces" shows recognition and preference for another person. In ancient times, many a judge would favor the wealthy over the poor. Or verdicts would be handed down based on nationality, social rank, family, or friendship rather than on the facts. But Jehovah does the opposite. He favors only those who fear him and work righteousness. When it comes to salvation, God does not esteem a man's 'face' over a woman's 'face.' Both are on an equal footing with him.-Acts 10:35.

Therefore, the Scriptures afford Christian men and women an equal measure of honor as members of the congregation. The apostle Paul writes to Christians in Galatia that "there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one person in union with Christ Jesus." All have an independent spiritual standing before God; yet all are united as a body of his servants. All are alike in God's household.-Galatians 3:26-28.

Nevertheless, there are differences between men and women in the congregation. But just as natural differences between a man and a woman are no obstacle to their complementing each other, so the different privileges that men and women enjoy within the Christian congregation should not be an obstacle to the congregation's harmony. What are those differences?

Teachers-When and to Whom?

The differences center on teaching and authority. Women are barred from serving in an official teaching capacity in the congregation and from exercising spiritual authority over fellow congregation members. In his pastoral letter to Timothy, Paul plainly states: "I do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence."-1 Timothy 2:12.

Paul next points to the basis for not allowing women to be teachers-a divinely appointed relationship between man and woman. "For Adam was formed first, then Eve," he writes. (1 Timothy 2:13) God could have created Adam and Eve at the same moment, but he did not. Adam existed for some time before Eve. Does this not reveal God's purpose for Adam to direct, to be the head, rather than Eve? (1 Corinthians 11:3) And to teach is, in effect, to act as a master, or head, over those taught. Those taught listen and quietly learn. Thus, in the congregation only men are to be teachers and overseers.

Need the fact that women do not teach in the congregation cause frustration and resentment? No. Women are free to teach Christian doctrine and are invited to do so. In what context and under what circumstances? Older women can be "teachers of what is good" to the younger women. And just as Eunice and her mother Lois instructed Timothy, so Christian women still follow their example in training children in "The Way" of the truth.-Titus 2:3-5; Acts 9:2; 2 Timothy 1:5.

Today, Christian women also follow the examples of Euodia and Syntyche by preaching the good news publicly. (Philippians 4:2, 3) They can be teachers by conducting Bible studies with interested people. (Matthew 28:20) Hundreds of thousands of women find spiritual fulfillment in this urgent work of preaching and teaching. They point others to the establishment of a world of righteousness and peace under the reign of Jesus Christ-a hope they share equally with their Christian brothers.-Psalm 37:10, 11; 68:11.

A disease designated in the Bible by the Hebrew term tsa·ra''ath and the Greek word le'pra. A person afflicted with it is called a leper.

In the Scriptures "leprosy" is not restricted to the disease known by that name today, for it could affect not only humans but also clothing and houses. The leprosy of today is otherwise called Hansen's disease, so named because Dr. Gerhard A. Hansen discovered the germ that is generally thought to cause this malady. However, though tsa·ra''ath applies to more than the leprosy of today, there is no doubt that human leprosy now called Hansen's disease was in evidence in the Middle East in Biblical times.

Varieties, With Their Effects. Today leprosy, or Hansen's disease, which is only slightly communicable, manifests itself in three basic varieties. One, the nodular type, results in a thickening of one's skin and the forming of lumps, first in the skin on the face and then on other parts of the body. It also produces degenerative effects in mucous membranes of the victim's nose and throat. This is known as black leprosy. Another type is anesthetic leprosy, sometimes called white leprosy. It is not as severe as black leprosy and basically affects the peripheral nerves. It may manifest itself in skin that is painful to the touch, though it can also result in numbness. The third type of leprosy, a mixed kind, combines the symptoms of both forms just described.

As leprosy progresses toward its advanced stage, the swellings that initially develop discharge pus, the hair may fall from one's head and eyebrows, nails may loosen, decay, and fall off. Then the victim's fingers, limbs, nose, or eyes may be slowly eaten away. Finally, in the most serious cases, death ensues. That Biblical "leprosy" certainly included such a serious disease is apparent from Aaron's reference to it as a malady wherein the flesh is "half eaten off."-Nu 12:12.

This description helps one better to appreciate Biblical references to this dread malady and the dire consequences of Uzziah's presumptuous act in improperly endeavoring to offer incense in Jehovah's temple.-2Ki 15:5; 2Ch 26:16-23.

awallaceunc wrote:

MickeyMouseboy wrote: ok maybe im stupid but im not getting what you're saying..... what do you mean something has to happen to all those bodies? yes I do christians and non-christians will die in the tribulation. but what you haven't given me is scriptural proof to all this you're saying.

lol, it's ok. You said that the ressurrection of the dead contradicts what I wrote, so I was arguing that it doesn't. Yeah, the dead are ressurrected at the Rapture, but more people still die after the Rapture. Obviously, those people are ressurrected as well at the second coming. You ask for scripture, and I've given some, but I can't simply extract a verse here and verse there and lay out a case. The end times are very complicated and Revelation lays out an intricate timeline, and you have to read it in its entirety (nearly) and study and cross-reference to get the whole picture in order to view it in proper context.

-Aaron

awallaceunc wrote: Matthew 24: 36-44
1 Thessalonians 5:1-3

The word used here in the Greek for the expression "taken along" is also used when Joseph isis said to have taken his wife home. It is also as when Jesus is said to have taken Peter, James and John along with him into the mount of transfiguration. Jesus used the word when he said: "I am coming again and will receive you home to myself, that where I am you also may be." (John 14:3; Matt. 1:20, 24; 17:1, NW) Thus, those "taken along" receive a favorable standing with the Lord and are brought into a way of salvation. This corresponds to Noah's being taken into the ark the day of the flood and to Lot's being taken by the hand and led out of the city and therefore precedes the execution of judgment.

***'Caught Away to Meet the Lord'-How?***

The word "rapture" does not appear in the Bible. But those who believe in it cite the apostle Paul's words at 1 Thessalonians 4:17 as the basis for their belief. Let us examine this scripture in its context. Paul wrote

"Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant concerning those who are sleeping in death; that you may not sorrow just as the rest also do who have no hope. For if our faith is that Jesus died and rose again, so, too, those who have fallen asleep in death through Jesus God will bring with him. For this is what we tell you by Jehovah's word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice and with God's trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with the Lord. Consequently keep comforting one another with these words."-1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

The congregation in Thessalonica was relatively new when Paul addressed his first letter to Christians there in about 50 C.E. Members of the congregation were distressed that some of their number were "sleeping in death." However, what Paul wrote comforted the Thessalonians with the resurrection hope.

Christ's "Presence"

While confirming that faithful Christians then dead would be resurrected, Paul also said: "The living who survive to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death." (Verse 15) Noteworthy, indeed, is the apostle's reference to the Lord's "presence." Here the original-language text uses the Greek word pa·rou·si'an, which literally means "being alongside."

So by saying that certain Christians living during the Lord's presence would be "caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air," Paul meant that those survivors would be meeting Christ, not in earth's atmosphere, but in the invisible heavenly realm where Jesus sits at God's right hand. (Hebrews 1:1-3) But who are they?

"The Israel of God"

The Scriptures say much about fleshly Israelites and also speak of the spiritual "Israel of God." Jewish and Gentile believers were to make up the full number of this group anointed by God's holy spirit, or active force. (Galatians 6:16; Romans 11:25, 26; 1 John 2:20, 27) The book of Revelation shows that the total number of spiritual Israel is 144,000, all of whom are depicted with the Lamb, Jesus Christ, on heavenly Mount Zion. Along with Christ, they would be kings and priests in heaven. (Revelation 7:1-8; 14:1-4; 20:6) Included among them would be individuals who had been associated with the congregations in Thessalonica and elsewhere, whatever their racial or national background.-Acts 10:34, 35.

Before any faithful members of spiritual Israel could receive a heavenly reward, they would have to share a certain experience. Just as Jesus' death on the torture stake preceded his resurrection to life in the heavens, so Christians with the heavenly hope must die before receiving their reward. (1 Corinthians 15:35, 36) That would be true of members of spiritual Israel living in the first century C.E. and of such individuals alive today.

After mentioning "the presence of the Lord," Paul pointed to the time when faithful spiritual Israelites who had died would receive their heavenly reward. He wrote: "The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice and with God's trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first." (Verse 16) Therefore, once Jesus' presence as King began, we would expect the heavenly resurrection to start, commencing with those of spiritual Israel who had already died as integrity keepers. (1 Corinthians 15:23) They now serve alongside Jesus in heaven. But what of the comparatively few anointed Christians still living on the earth? Do they await the rapture?

"Caught Away"-How?

After referring to anointed Christians who had died, Paul added: "Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with the Lord." (Verse 17) "The living" would be those alive during Christ's presence. They would be "caught away" to meet the Lord Jesus. As in the case of faithful early Christians, death as a human is necessary for them to be united with Christ in heaven.-Romans 8:17, 35-39.

In writing to Christians in Corinth, Paul stated: "This I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption. Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep in death, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed." (1 Corinthians 15:50-52) Upon dying in faithfulness during Christ's presence, each one of the remnant of spiritual Israel instantaneously receives his heavenly reward. "In the twinkling of an eye," he is resurrected as a spirit creature and "caught away" to meet Jesus and to serve as a coruler in the Kingdom of the heavens. But what about all others worshiping Jehovah? As the end of this wicked system approaches, will they also be caught away to heaven?

Survival-But Not by Rapture

Inasmuch as Jesus' royal presence has begun, we are now deep into this world's "time of the end." (Daniel 12:4) Paul warned: "As for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. For you yourselves know quite well that Jehovah's day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. Whenever it is that they are saying: 'Peace and security!' then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape." (1 Thessalonians 5:1-3) But alert Christians will escape. How?

The cry "Peace and security!" is a precursor of the period Jesus called the "great tribulation." Describing "a great crowd" of faithful ones who have the hope of living eternally in an earthly paradise, the book of Revelation says: "These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." (Revelation 7:9, 14; Luke 23:43) No, theirs is not the prospect of a rapture. Rather, they have the hope of survival right here on the earth. To prepare for it, they must remain spiritually awake. How can you do this and survive the end of this system?

You need to 'keep your senses and have on the breastplate of faith and love and as a helmet the hope of salvation.' (1 Thessalonians 5:6-8 ) Now is the time to pay attention to God's prophetic Word, the Bible. As the seconds tick away until the end of this system, heed Paul's counsel: "Do not treat prophesyings with contempt. Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine." (1 Thessalonians 5:20, 21)

As you grow in accurate knowledge and faith, you will discern the outworking of Jehovah God's purpose to rid the universe of his foes and restore the earth to a paradise. By exercising faith, you may also be among the survivors of the great tribulation, privileged to welcome back the millions who will be resurrected to life on earth. And what a joy it will be to live under God's Kingdom in the hands of Jesus Christ and his corulers, who will have been 'caught away to meet the Lord' by being resurrected to life in the heavenly realm!

For obedient mankind in general, then, what is the true Scriptural hope? It is not a rapture. Instead, it is eternal life on earth under the rule of God's Kingdom.

Loomis wrote:I was under the impression that The Rapture were a critically hyped band from New York who had a newish album called Echoes.

Hmm...you learn something new every day...

Loomis wrote:

Rebel wrote: The movie is successful because it is a very well made movie.

I wasn't making a comment on the quality of the film, because as you say I have not seen it, and I doubt I will for a while.

Yes, but you have to admit - a lot of hype surrounded the release of the film because of these false accusations/focus on violence. I don't think this would have done the box office any harm!

Rebel wrote:Your posts implied that the success of the movie was because of the negative hype. Although these accusations of "too much violence" and "anti-semetism" have motivated the media to give the movie more attention, those accusations do not encourage many people to go see the movie.

As far as I can tell, the accusations of "too much violence" and "anti-semetism" have done more harm to the movie's box office returns than it has done to help.