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I would love it. I am a lesbian myself. I think it is unlikly at this stage, but in the far future it could happen.

Although if you want gay animation, the japanese anime is the best for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMml9LsaAe8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8eZfB_MyNw


So yeah, if watershipdown made it to the cinema, then this could.

Goliath wrote:

Lazario wrote:Right now, why don't we concentrate on a character that ends the movie without a love interest tied to them. That alone might get people talking...

You mean, like Basil in The Great Mouse Detective?

I'll take The 5th on that one...

toonaspie wrote:

Lazario wrote:They basically waited until Shrek came out first, with an ugly, green-faced princess. Then, it was okay for them to incorporate black representation into a hero/heroine role. That's how much they care about progressive cultural values. Corporately, they see black people on an inferior level to Ogres.

I hope your...comment is just referring to the comparison of box office revenue.

Anything other than that would just sound completely out of whack.

I'm listening...

Super Aurora wrote:Yeah like Duster said, you'd be amaze at how insane, how terrifying and how many girls love boy-romance (Yaoi) which often show pretty and androgynous looking boys making out.

Why shouldn't they? It's like Leonardo DiCaprio and Johnny Depp together. Two better than one?

Super Aurora wrote:They dig up this shit like a fatty gobbling a chocolate cake(Om Nom Nom Nom).

You have a real semi-obsession with overweight people, you know.

I've noticed.



As for Mr. Thatch... He's already outted himself as a homophobe on UD. You don't forget that sort of thing.

All I can say to that is - imagine you're gay for a second.


Pathetic, huh? That's all I got. I've imagined I was straight. And even at my most "Look- I'm a generic, ignorant straight guy," I could not come up with decent justification for this refusal to be compassionate or understanding toward people who are different than you. There is no pressure to continue to persecute or invalidate gay people. Time to just be smart for a change. Who cares what dead potential bigots would think?

ajmrowland wrote:

Super Aurora wrote: That's from retarded fanfiction and doujinshis. Not actual yaoi from official publication company. Don't get that mix up.

I didnt even know there was publication for such thing. so how could I not mix it up?

What you're describing like the kingdom heart thing and all is mostly stuff created out of fanboy/girl's fantasy and out of canon. You can apply what you describe to any fictional series: Batman, Spiderman, DBZ etc.

What I'm referring to is Yaoi as genre. For instance, There's a manga called FAKE(pretty good read btw). It's publish by Biblos and is put out on BexBoy magazine. The fact these are series specifically focus on male love relationship and that it's publish in manga magazine company is what I'm referring by

Goliath wrote:

Disney Duster wrote:Actually, many girls really like seeing gay guys do...anything, especially romance, and quite a few get turned off and afraid of lesbian stuff.

Really? I never knew people like that. I had two female friends once, who were both hot as hell, and they admitted they had slept together, because they wanted to experiment. (Of course, when they told me, I *didn't* sleep the next night.)

Pics or it didn't happen.

Lazario wrote:

Super Aurora wrote:Yeah like Duster said, you'd be amaze at how insane, how terrifying and how many girls love boy-romance (Yaoi) which often show pretty and androgynous looking boys making out.

Why shouldn't they? It's like Leonardo DiCaprio and Johnny Depp together. Two better than one?

I never said gay love is bad and that girls shouldn't like it. I just pointing out to Goliath that those people are out there. In addition some of them can be terrifying like Twilight terrifying.

I'm not into Yaoi personally but there is two in particular I really love reading: FAKE, and Gorgeous Carat. Both are pretty damn good.

Lazario wrote:

Super Aurora wrote:They dig up this shit like a fatty gobbling a chocolate cake(Om Nom Nom Nom).

You have a real semi-obsession with overweight people, you know.

I've noticed.

Actually I was making fun of it. plus this is first time I recall point out some of obesity. So I dunno how you could say that I have an semi-obsession with it as well say you notice it as if I've been sprouting it constantly...?

Super Aurora wrote:

Goliath wrote:Really? I never knew people like that. I had two female friends once, who were both hot as hell, and they admitted they had slept together, because they wanted to experiment. (Of course, when they told me, I *didn't* sleep the next night.)

Pics or it didn't happen.

I asked them the same.

They were not amused.

Super Aurora wrote:

Lazario wrote: Why shouldn't they? It's like Leonardo DiCaprio and Johnny Depp together. Two better than one?

I never said gay love is bad and that girls shouldn't like it.

I know. I wasn't saying you were. I was jokingly criticizing the typical mainstream 'women's taste' in men. Which is, as you pointed out- androgynous. To the point of me raising eyebrows, which I remember doing vividly in my best friend's room back in the 90's. We would sit on her bed and her wall was plastered with Titanic magazine pics / pages. I'd always look at Leo and go... "WHY?" I even asked her once.

I'm instantly reminded of this scene from NewsRadio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_RvuWRKfAk#t=2m25s

Super Aurora wrote:

Lazario wrote: You have a real semi-obsession with overweight people, you know.

Actually I was making fun of it. plus this is first time I recall point out some of obesity. So I dunno how you could say that I have an semi-obsession with it as well say you notice it as if I've been sprouting it constantly...?

I was just kidding. But- I don't see how you could forget that picture you were posting everywhere. "How to Spot a Rich Guy" - ring any bells?

Lazario wrote: I know. I wasn't saying you were. I was jokingly criticizing the typical mainstream 'women's taste' in men. Which is, as you pointed out- androgynous. To the point of me raising eyebrows, which I remember doing vividly in my best friend's room back in the 90's. We would sit on her bed and her wall was plastered with Titanic magazine pics / pages. I'd always look at Leo and go... "WHY?" I even asked her once.

I'm instantly reminded of this scene from NewsRadio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_RvuWRKfAk#t=2m25s

Ah I see. Kinda like this:

Lazario wrote: I was just kidding. But- I don't see how you could forget that picture you were posting everywhere. "How to Spot a Rich Guy" - ring any bells?

oh I see. with you it's harder to tell when you're joking and when you aren't. but i forgot all about that fat pic I posted awhile back. Still half true though.[/img]

Super Aurora wrote:

ajmrowland wrote: I didnt even know there was publication for such thing. so how could I not mix it up?

What you're describing like the kingdom heart thing and all is mostly stuff created out of fanboy/girl's fantasy and out of canon. You can apply what you describe to any fictional series: Batman, Spiderman, DBZ etc.

What I'm referring to is Yaoi as genre. For instance, There's a manga called FAKE(pretty good read btw). It's publish by Biblos and is put out on BexBoy magazine. The fact these are series specifically focus on male love relationship and that it's publish in manga magazine company is what I'm referring by

Oh, I knew there was yaoi fanfiction. I just didnt know there was original stuff created for it because there's too much fanfic of it.

and that one cringeworthy scene in KH2.

but yeah, I guess I was stupid not to realize there was a whole genre.

ajmrowland wrote: and that one cringeworthy scene in KH2.

but yeah, I guess I was stupid not to realize there was a whole genre.

That scene (and the rest of the Riku/Soraness in the ending) was the only thing worth playing through KH2 for.

Kairi: Why can't I ever get a guy to go into crying fits for me?!

I've always thought it telling that the largest viewing segment for shows such as Queer As Folk and Noah's Arc (2 cable gay themed comedy/dramas with plenty of man on man action) was straight females. Gay males were in second place in audience numbers. I know there are more straight females than gay males out there, but I still find it interesting that straight females watched these shows in such large numbers. Every straight female that I've shared my QAF & NA DVDs with has LOVED the shows....and the hot guys making out with each other!

Super Aurora wrote:

Lazario wrote:I was just kidding. But- I don't see how you could forget that picture you were posting everywhere. "How to Spot a Rich Guy" - ring any bells?

oh I see. with you it's harder to tell when you're joking and when you aren't. but i forgot all about that fat pic I posted awhile back. Still half true though.

I wouldn't doubt it.

(I actually thought, in that instance, that the guy should have been just as ashamed as assumedly other people thought the woman should be)

How could companies figure out what kind of people are watching what? I never took a survey on what I watch! So I'm sure not everyone in the world did. I ain't trusting everything like that, there's more gay guys who watched those shows I'm sure.

Anyway...

When I think of gay, I think of men dancing in accentuating clothes in pride parades. I'm pretty sure whever anyone who isn't gay or lesbian thinks of gay, they think of gay men. I guess that's why there is a seperate word for gay girls, lesbian.

Are there more gay guys than gay girls? And thus, the larger numbers would be...

Also, if Disney did a movie on gay males, they would have, essentially, the same audience. It seems Disney is more popular with straight girls and gay males, aside from families.

And a lot of lesbians might think Disney has been so sexist to women in the past, thinking Disney made the sex objects for men, getting saved by men, doing nothing but pine after men or do and give up everything for men, so maybe they don't like Disney.

So that is why when I think of doing a gay movie to cover that group of people, I think of, well, gay guys, not lesbians. However...

Anyway, I was actually thinking the story should cover both, perhaps this way: A prince and princess are betrothed to each other. But the princess is in love with a peasant girl, and the Prince is in love with a peasant boy (or to change it up, the prince could love a boy jester or a knight or the princess could love her maidservant, anything).

Or something like that. The King and Queen try to get a wizard to use magic to make their children straight, but the children say they shouldn't use magic to change who they are and who they love and feel so happy and complete being the way they are. The magic does not work on them, though, as true love, even between same sex lovers, conquers all.

^well, with the smoothing out of a few rough edges(the Prince/Princess being in love with other people is good), That would make a nice story.

So, where does the........no, make the Wizard and evil Wizard. too many witches in the Disney Canon.

Yeah, but they kind of make for better villains. Jafar didn't really do anything and Scar was a wimp. The only characters he had a chance in a battle with where hanging from a cliff at the time he attacked them. And then, every male villain after that basically disappears into the background.

Should the Disney Channel feature gay characters? Network President speaks
http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox ... cters.html
(via laughingplace.com)

But while straight characters have gone out on dates and shared kisses on the channel, there hasn't been an equivalent for gay characters. "I don't know where the series or the Disney Channel or the world might evolve to in that regard. But I don't see it has some sort of second class," Marsh says.

That was my thought as I read up to that point- that even if the Disney shows and movies don't deal with sex, they do deal with dating and kissing and whatnot. I think that ambiguously gay characters would be the only way Disney wouldn't get a backlash at this point, unfortunately. And even with that, I'm sure that some parents would be in an uproar.

blackcauldron85 wrote:That was my thought as I read up to that point- that even if the Disney shows and movies don't deal with sex, they do deal with dating and kissing and whatnot. I think that ambiguously gay characters would be the only way Disney wouldn't get a backlash at this point, unfortunately. And even with that, I'm sure that some parents would be in an uproar.

Naturally, they would. There are people who think two same-sex individuals kissing is offensive when they wold have no objections to straight people performing the same act.

I don't expect Disney Channel to start having gay characters anytime soon (with the exception of a certain HSM character if he counts). The audience who determines what is "safe" isn't ready for it yet. They probably have enough time on their hands fretting over the several other gay characters on TV right now anyway.

I personally would have no problem with any part of the Disney company broaching the subject of homosexuality, I just don't think they will. It's not entirely out of the realm of possibility but I doubt Disney would risk an image they've spent the best of seventy years creating. Ultimately I think some parts of the company, particularly animation, are still too restrained by the tradition of the Disney name to be as progressive as they might want to be.

In terms of the Disney Channel, I think the subject of homosexuality could be used in an educative manner. By that, I'm referring to the stigma of being a gay teenager or young person today relating to the college student who committed suicide in America after his roommate outed him by secretly filming him with a partner. That's just one example of the bullying that happens everyday in modern society so perhaps Disney could find a way to address that on the Disney Channel, though I agree with Flanger-Hanger and doubt anything will happen any time soon..

ABC has had a couple shows in the past few years where there were gay characters (It's All Relative, Ugly Betty). So it's not as if homosexuality is completely banned from The Walt Disney Company.

It's in the corners of the company more directly associated with the Disney name where it would be a tough sell.

DisneyAnimation88 wrote:That's just one example of the bullying that happens everyday in modern society so perhaps Disney could find a way to address that on the Disney Channel

Wasn't there a Disney Channel show that tried to adress the issue of smoking but had that episode pulled becuase it dared mention the issue? I'm thinking the same would happen here. It's a shame because the reality is not thinking about something doesn't make it go away.

Flanger-Hanger wrote:Wasn't there a Disney Channel show that tried to adress the issue of smoking but had that episode pulled becuase it dared mention the issue? I'm thinking the same would happen here. It's a shame because the reality is not thinking about something doesn't make it go away.

I don't remember hearing that but I certainly wouldn't doubt it. It sorta reminds me of how they pulled a Hannah Montana episode that dealt with diabetes, of all things . . . but then again they were only reacting to the parents objections. Which is the real issue: they shy away from what might be considered inappropriate by parents because they want to hold on to their "family friendly" image.

Flanger-Hanger wrote:

DisneyAnimation88 wrote:That's just one example of the bullying that happens everyday in modern society so perhaps Disney could find a way to address that on the Disney Channel

Wasn't there a Disney Channel show that tried to adress the issue of smoking but had that episode pulled becuase it dared mention the issue? I'm thinking the same would happen here. It's a shame because the reality is not thinking about something doesn't make it go away.

That was a "That's So Raven" episode, but I don't think it was ever pulled. Here's part one- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lS1oD40Ph4. As enigmawing mentioned above, though, there was a diabetes episode of "Hannah Montana" that was pulled, but it still eventually aired after a little retooling.