Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 1:24 pm
How about any of these:
Tiger Trouble
Lion Down
This is all i can think of.
Tiger Trouble
Lion Down
This is all i can think of.
Nope!
This was too hard for you all???
SOCIAL LION 1954
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 12:38 am
Nope!
This was too hard for you all???
SOCIAL LION 1954
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 12:41 am
Never heard of it sorry... So did you want to ask another question?Chernabog wrote:SOCIAL LION 1954
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 12:47 am
No, for the moment I let it pass to someone else!
The last two questions I have asked, nobody has answered correctly!
Let someone else try!
Social Lion is a good little funny cartoon! Hopefully included in one of the future releases of Disney Treasures
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 12:55 am
What 2 gifts am I given by the three good fairies?
Also as I am escaping, arrows are shot at me, boulders come crashing down, and hot liquid is poured down on me... What do the three fairies do to protect me from these things?
Also as I am escaping, arrows are shot at me, boulders come crashing down, and hot liquid is poured down on me... What do the three fairies do to protect me from these things?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 6:04 am
A sword and a shield (one of them is "of virtue").
The arrows turn into flowers, the boulders turn into bubbles, and they put a rainbow under the hot liquid that stops it from raining down on you. I don't know, Phillip-they call you the hero, but without the three little old ladies, you'd be dead
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The arrows turn into flowers, the boulders turn into bubbles, and they put a rainbow under the hot liquid that stops it from raining down on you. I don't know, Phillip-they call you the hero, but without the three little old ladies, you'd be dead
!Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 6:31 am
I never heard of the short Social Lion. oh well. i might have seen it but experienced short term memory later.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:26 am
Based on this, I don't think I've ever seen it:Chernabog wrote:Social Lion is a good little funny cartoon!
http://www.teemings.com/shorts/disney/y ... llion.html
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 12:18 pm
I'm sorry I cannot except that, I need more...Prince Adam wrote:A sword and a shield (one of them is "of virtue").
Prince Adam wrote: I don't know, Phillip-they call you the hero, but without the three little old ladies, you'd be dead
Well, lets just say Auroa has other reasons for calling me hero... And it is true I had some help, but I doubt Prince's Charming and Valiant would've been able to save our Princess.... and I appreciate the assistance I had
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 12:56 pm
The mighty Sword of Truth and the enchanted Shield of Virtue.Prince Phillip wrote:I'm sorry I cannot except that, I need more...
"Now, Sword of Truth, fly swift and sure
That evil die and good endure."
Actually, Phillip though helped by the Fairies, does a good job. He is one of the "proactive" heroes, he actually goes out and kicks some dragon butt. Other Disney heroes rely on acts of God. He doesn't. He sets out to kill the dragon and does so. Ursula dies impaled by a ship, The Evil Queen, Clayton, Gaston and Scar are not killed by the hero, but die because of their own miscalculations, etc. etc.
BTW has anybody gone to the Disney Villain Store at Disneyland? The Evil Queen apparently does not die, but is shackeld and imprisoned in a cage inside the store. She will ask you to set her free and promise you all sorts of goodies... It's pretty cool.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 1:13 pm
I guess you're right-Prince Phillip is the most courageous, facing all the powers of Hell. And I know Prince Charming is from Cinderella, so is Prince Valiant from Snow White?
And all I did was get put under a terrible spell, live alone for years with no human companionship, fight a girl's jealous pursuer, get stabbed in the back, almost die, and then learn to love again. Not to mention I had to save her from wolves and rescue her from drowning, and kill an evil pipe organ. Guess I can't match what Prince Phillip did
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And all I did was get put under a terrible spell, live alone for years with no human companionship, fight a girl's jealous pursuer, get stabbed in the back, almost die, and then learn to love again. Not to mention I had to save her from wolves and rescue her from drowning, and kill an evil pipe organ. Guess I can't match what Prince Phillip did
!Hero / Anti-hero & Villain / Anti-villain
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 1:28 pm
I think the Beast qualifies as an antihero in the true sense of the word.
Hero is "In mythology and legend, a man, often of divine ancestry, who is endowed with great courage and strength, celebrated for his bold exploits, and favored by the gods."
Somebody under a curse cannot be considered to be "favored by the gods."
The problem with the conception of Disney villains of late, is that while heroes are shown to be tainted (Aladdin, Hercules, etc.) the same does not go for the villains. The villains, for the most part, do not have a good or redeeming side, and become rather uninteresting in my opinion.
This is a philosophy left over from The Motion Picture Production Code of 1930 (Hays Code):
General Principles
1. No picture shall be produced that will lower the moral standards of those who see it. Hence the sympathy of the audience should never be thrown to the side of crime, wrongdoing, evil or sin.
2. Correct standards of life, subject only to the requirements of drama and entertainment, shall be presented.
3. Law, natural or human, shall not be ridiculed, nor shall sympathy be created for its violation.
Crimes Against the Law
These shall never be presented in such a way as to throw sympathy with the crime as against law and justice or to inspire others with a desire for imitation.
Etc, etc.
Showing redeeming qualities in a villain would violate the Code. And forgiving a crime (or villain) would merely show that "crime does indeed pay".
The weird thing is that Disney himself already broke this Code in Treasure Island (1950).
Long John Silver gets away scott-free at the end of the movie...
And what a great movie villain he is!
Hero is "In mythology and legend, a man, often of divine ancestry, who is endowed with great courage and strength, celebrated for his bold exploits, and favored by the gods."
Somebody under a curse cannot be considered to be "favored by the gods."
The problem with the conception of Disney villains of late, is that while heroes are shown to be tainted (Aladdin, Hercules, etc.) the same does not go for the villains. The villains, for the most part, do not have a good or redeeming side, and become rather uninteresting in my opinion.
This is a philosophy left over from The Motion Picture Production Code of 1930 (Hays Code):
General Principles
1. No picture shall be produced that will lower the moral standards of those who see it. Hence the sympathy of the audience should never be thrown to the side of crime, wrongdoing, evil or sin.
2. Correct standards of life, subject only to the requirements of drama and entertainment, shall be presented.
3. Law, natural or human, shall not be ridiculed, nor shall sympathy be created for its violation.
Crimes Against the Law
These shall never be presented in such a way as to throw sympathy with the crime as against law and justice or to inspire others with a desire for imitation.
Etc, etc.
Showing redeeming qualities in a villain would violate the Code. And forgiving a crime (or villain) would merely show that "crime does indeed pay".
The weird thing is that Disney himself already broke this Code in Treasure Island (1950).
Long John Silver gets away scott-free at the end of the movie...
And what a great movie villain he is!
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 1:58 pm
Er. I think that code is long since out of comission. They certainly ignore the sex guidelines (didn't it state married couples had to be shown in seperate beds?)
I disagree - a hero is anybody who overcomes obstacles placed in his/her way - and it doesn't matter if the obstacles are self-created or not.
The Beast (suposedly) overcame his own obstacle of anger and selfishness. (And at the same time he saved Belle's life ona few occasions). That does make him a hero in my book. (Just as I consider Wolverine to be a true hero as he is always fighting to control his feral rages)
I say supposedly because this aspect of the story could do with a little for development - he let's Belle go to tend to her father and he only really fights back against Gaston when he implies future mistreatment of Belle. Fair enough, but little is made of his changing before these moments.
Herman we should probably continue this in the BatB DIScussions thread?
[non-Disney rant]
As for anti-heroes - sadly that seems to be the trend these days. I don't mean flawed heroes - but "Heroes" who often decend to the same depths as the villains themselves. Sometimes we need to have the fantasy that you don't need to fight back against bullies to win, whether they be school bullies or aliens wanting to take over the world. You just need to be smarter.
[/non-Disney rant]
I disagree - a hero is anybody who overcomes obstacles placed in his/her way - and it doesn't matter if the obstacles are self-created or not.
The Beast (suposedly) overcame his own obstacle of anger and selfishness. (And at the same time he saved Belle's life ona few occasions). That does make him a hero in my book. (Just as I consider Wolverine to be a true hero as he is always fighting to control his feral rages)
I say supposedly because this aspect of the story could do with a little for development - he let's Belle go to tend to her father and he only really fights back against Gaston when he implies future mistreatment of Belle. Fair enough, but little is made of his changing before these moments.
Herman we should probably continue this in the BatB DIScussions thread?
[non-Disney rant]
As for anti-heroes - sadly that seems to be the trend these days. I don't mean flawed heroes - but "Heroes" who often decend to the same depths as the villains themselves. Sometimes we need to have the fantasy that you don't need to fight back against bullies to win, whether they be school bullies or aliens wanting to take over the world. You just need to be smarter.
[/non-Disney rant]
The Hays Code
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 2:03 pm
This actually deserves it's own thread. Consider it done.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 2:06 pm
Actually, I believe Prince Charming, was Snow White's Prince, and Prince Valiant was Cinderella's... though I think Cindy's is often refered to as charming also, but it is really Valiant... (if you want to distinguish the 2Prince Adam wrote:I guess you're right-Prince Phillip is the most courageous, facing all the powers of Hell. And I know Prince Charming is from Cinderella, so is Prince Valiant from Snow White?
) Oh, and Adam, you have the most emotional Prince scene, your death... so that is cool ,and you are probably the one prince that goes through the most growth... so yeay!
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 2:36 pm
Thank-you, thank-you (he bows to whatever audience might be watching, and enjoying every bit of recognition)!
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 2:55 pm
Multiply the number of Aladdin's total wishes, free-be and otherwise, by the number of Mulan sequels, subtract the total number of alddin films, add the number film that Cinderella is (on the list of animated features, chronlogically), subtract the number of dwarves in Snow white, and divide by the combined number of fairies in Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty, what number do you get?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 3:30 pm
So you cannot show Villains that are smarter and better fighters than the Heroes? Again, we are talking about the restrictions of "moral storytelling".2099net wrote:As for anti-heroes - sadly that seems to be the trend these days. I don't mean flawed heroes - but "Heroes" who often decend to the same depths as the villains themselves. Sometimes we need to have the fantasy that you don't need to fight back against bullies to win, whether they be school bullies or aliens wanting to take over the world. You just need to be smarter.
But for an example of that please see Rob Roy (1995). Tim Roth's character is smarter, richer, wittier, has better taste and is a better fighter than Liam Neeson's. The thing about Liam's is that he will just not give up.
And it's a helluva great story.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 3:42 pm
Guys we're on the next Question...
Prince Phillip wrote:Multiply the number of Aladdin's total wishes, free-be and otherwise, by the number of Mulan sequels, subtract the total number of alddin films, add the number film that Cinderella is (on the list of animated features, chronlogically), subtract the number of dwarves in Snow white, and divide by the combined number of fairies in Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty, what number do you get?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 5:31 pm
Someone has too much time on their hands,
The answer is 2.
The answer is 2.