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Pocahontas was quite popular when the movie came out and honestly all the bad things that I've heard from this movie I heard it in the last years. It looks like everybody needs to criticize something to make themselves feel more important.
She might not ne one of the most popular princesses but people love her. In WDW when she appears in the fantasmic show everybody was enthusiastic with her.
To not include Mulan and Pocahontas for not beeing princessy in the franchise is a cheap excuse. Their merchandise worked really well in the 90s and one of the most popular princess by the time is Moana who is not princessy.
They deserve new books because the artstyle of the old ones looks odd when they are included in a compilation of tales.
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Yes, Pocahontas was super popular when it came out. She and Mulan deserve newly illustrated books to match the rest, otherwise it does look odd.
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Thumper_93 wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 7:42 am Pocahontas was quite popular when the movie came out and honestly all the bad things that I've heard from this movie I heard it in the last years. It looks like everybody needs to criticize something to make themselves feel more important.
She might not ne one of the most popular princesses but people love her. In WDW when she appears in the fantasmic show everybody was enthusiastic with her.
To not include Mulan and Pocahontas for not beeing princessy in the franchise is a cheap excuse. Their merchandise worked really well in the 90s and one of the most popular princess by the time is Moana who is not princessy.
They deserve new books because the artstyle of the old ones looks odd when they are included in a compilation of tales.
I don`t want to sound condescending, but Pocahontas was heavily criticized when the movie came out. Sure, it was very popular, but there was a huge backlash to it when it was released. And I`m not saying this in order to trash the movie, cause I do love it (regardless of it`s bad staple), but the truth is that there was scrutiny when it came out.
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In addition to the woke criticism as well as those who noted the historical inaccuracies, I recall the major complaints were that Pocahontas was a letdown after the phenomenal (and unexpected) success of The Lion King.

I enjoyed both Pocahontas and Mulan, but I actually preferred the animation style of Pocahontas to Mulan.

Mulan looked a little more “cartoonish” to me but I tend to attribute that to the fact that it was animated at DHS rather than CA. I could be wrong though...
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carolinakid wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 4:47 am I enjoyed both Pocahontas and Mulan, but I actually preferred the animation style of Pocahontas to Mulan.

Mulan looked a little more “cartoonish” to me but I tend to attribute that to the fact that it was animated at DHS rather than CA. I could be wrong though...
I have come to appreciate Pocahontas much more than I used to in recent months. I have seen so much hate in social media and real life that I think that's good there are movies whose main message is about peace. I remember Eric Goldberg talking about it in a podcast or one of the BTS features, sometimes learning what a filmmaker's main motivation behind a film is makes you appreciate the film much more.

I think the difference between Pocahontas' style and Mulan's is that Mulan is more of a comedy - adventure while Pocahontas is much more serious. Personally I think Pocahontas' animation is a bit too stiff compared to the other Renaissance films.
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carolinakid wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 4:47 am In addition to the woke criticism as well as those who noted the historical inaccuracies, I recall the major complaints were that Pocahontas was a letdown after the phenomenal (and unexpected) success of The Lion King.
True. Pocahontas had to measure up to the success of The Lion King and couldn`t live up to it. Mainly because it was a (tone-wise) departure and a risktaker. And let`s not forget Hunchback who followed it, who was a bigger and bolder risktaker.
Farerb wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 8:03 am I have come to appreciate Pocahontas much more than I used to in recent months. I have seen so much hate in social media and real life that I think that's good there are movies whose main message is about peace. I remember Eric Goldberg talking about it in a podcast or one of the BTS features, sometimes learning what a filmmaker's main motivation behind a film is makes you appreciate the film much more.
True. He even mentioned it for the Audio Commentary for the film.
Personally I think Pocahontas' animation is a bit too stiff compared to the other Renaissance films.
Fair enough and while it is, it was still expected. Remember that Pocahontas was a serious, ambitious story and therefore the animation had to live up to it. But I honestly think the animation (the facial expressions) is truly the epitome and culmination of character animation. There`s never been an animated movie with so many subtleties, nunace and layers in facial expressions in an animated movie before or ever since. At least in my opinion.
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Apparently that's because they heavily referenced live action for this movie. I hear there's basically a cut of the whole movie using real actors. I'd love to see that leak someday.
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Really? The same they did with Cinderella.
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