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D23ExpoVisitor25 wrote: โ†‘Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:18 pm Maybe the rumored hand-drawn animated BlueBeard movie at Walt Disney Animation Studios...
I hadn't heard anything about this? Hopefully true though.

Yeah, I hope Sergio finds a new home, preferably at WDAS.
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Disney's Divinity wrote: โ†‘Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:35 am
D23ExpoVisitor25 wrote: โ†‘Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:18 pm Maybe the rumored hand-drawn animated BlueBeard movie at Walt Disney Animation Studios...
I hadn't heard anything about this? Hopefully true though.

Yeah, I hope Sergio finds a new home, preferably at WDAS.
Skyler Shuler was the first to report Bluebeard.
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Tartakovsky has revealed that his upcoming R-rated film "Fixed" will be 2D-animated.
But after many false starts and other projects utilizing his time, โ€œFixedโ€ is actually in production. Like, right now. Sony Pictures Animation has partnered with Renegade Animation, a Glendale, California-based studio co-founded by Darrell Van Critters, a veteran of Warner Bros. Animation and Disney Animation (he was the original director on what would eventually become โ€œWho Framed Roger Rabbit?โ€), to finally bring Tartakovskyโ€™s passion project to life.

โ€œWeโ€™re doing a 2D animated rated-R movie. That is the golden ring that weโ€™ve been after since we were in our early 20s,โ€ Tartakovsky said. โ€œWe would never think. And on top of that, itโ€™s well-animated.โ€ Tartakovsky said he was looking at scenes that evoked Disneyโ€™s classic โ€œLady and the Trampโ€ (while maintaining that the level of animation isnโ€™t quite to Disney because nothing is.) โ€œThereโ€™s feelings of that in there,โ€ Tartakovsky said. In describing โ€œFixed,โ€ Tartakovsky said: โ€œItโ€™s raunchy but itโ€™s got character and itโ€™s cartoony. And itโ€™s got heart. The humor isnโ€™t pop culture humor. Thatโ€™s the biggest thing. Thereโ€™s no Kardashian jokes. Thereโ€™s none of that. Itโ€™s all character humor. Thatโ€™s what makes it much more unique and stand out. It feels like nothing else.โ€

While โ€œFixedโ€ doesnโ€™t have a release date yet, itโ€™s close enough for Tartakovsky. โ€œIโ€™m beyond excited about it. Itโ€™s 12 years in the making,โ€ Tartakovsky said. And the only place he could have made it was Sony Pictures Animation.
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I definitely plan to see it in theaters to get studios like Disney to get back into hand-drawn animation, even though I feel they're already working on that return through the Tiana series.
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Disney doesn't need to do 2D animation. Because of pencil tests and draw-overs, you can "feel the DNA of hand-drawn in the CG". :roll: Anyway, I'm not surprised Don Hall seems to have a distaste for 2D. When he was pitching Big Hero 6, Nik Ranieri suggested he make it in 2D given it's based on a comic book, and Don scoffed at him.
Don Hall: And itโ€™s just pure animation, right? Thatโ€™s why I love working in this medium. Itโ€™s all Iโ€™ve ever really wanted to do. We kept talking about the carpet in Aladdin, and look at what they did. Look what amazing animators could do with a rectangle and some tassels, you know? And CG has got to the point now where you really can do anything. We did some 2D hand drawn iterations of Splat to kind of learn about its locomotion, and then they were able to transfer that into the CG.

Roy Conli: What I love about whatโ€™s happening with Disney Animation, particularly in the CG realm, is you could feel that DNA of the hand drawn. In this film, I think there was a real focus on visiting an older style, a much broader style. And the wonder with CG is that you can do that, but then you can get those incredibly intimate scenes where the emotion plays so specifically and tightly. Itโ€™s beautiful.
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Well, let's hope that this isn't the case with the Tiana series since we don't seem to know where Stella Maghie's stance on hand-drawn animation is, though her fansmanship for The Princess and The Frog shows otherwise. And maybe you could have a point to feel Disney doesn't need to do 2D animation by thinking pencil tests and draw-overs show the feeling of the DNA of hand-drawn in the CG, but I think they should and my hope is that they are doing that with the Tiana series coming to Disney+ in late 2024.
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What I donโ€™t understand is why hand drawn is seen as this super risky and controversial medium.

Strange World is one of Disneyโ€™s biggest bombs ever. Worse in terms of ticket sales than Home on the Range, Treasure Planet and The Black Cauldron.

No one seems to blame that on CG.
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It's not risky. That narrative was only forced out there because John Lasstetter hated hand-drawn animation which is why he forced Winnie the Pooh from 2011 up against Harry Potter 7 Part 2 and it bombed. Thankfully, The Princess and the Frog broke even so at least it's getting a sequel series on Disney+ from WDAS.

People blame Strange World bombing on bad marketing, un-Disney-looking character models (which I think are one of the movie's strengths), no faith in it, and the LGBTQ material in Ethan Clade, which is not why it bombed despite the incels and Karens saying as such.
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PatrickvD wrote: โ†‘Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:01 amWhat I donโ€™t understand is why hand drawn is seen as this super risky and controversial medium. Strange World is one of Disneyโ€™s biggest bombs ever. Worse in terms of ticket sales than Home on the Range, Treasure Planet and The Black Cauldron. No one seems to blame that on CG.
There have been a lot of CG-animated flops and there will be many more in the future and no one is ever going to blame the medium or question the audience's interest in it. Why? Because for most people newer technology is always better. Therefore, in people's (and the industry's) mind, the newer, cutting-edge, "superior" medium of computer animation can't possibly be the reason a movie underperforms.
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Tom Bancroft discussed working on The Lion King, Mulan, + Brother Bear:
Animators React 10
https://youtu.be/XVQFCqmnBLs

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Don Hahn visits the ARL:
Explore Disney Animation's Top-Secret Treasure Trove: Part 1
https://youtu.be/VKk_4GzmOr0

and Part 2:
https://youtu.be/T8LEyTZqw_g
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Sotiris wrote: โ†‘Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:52 pm
PatrickvD wrote: โ†‘Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:01 amWhat I donโ€™t understand is why hand drawn is seen as this super risky and controversial medium. Strange World is one of Disneyโ€™s biggest bombs ever. Worse in terms of ticket sales than Home on the Range, Treasure Planet and The Black Cauldron. No one seems to blame that on CG.
There have been a lot of CG-animated flops and there will be many more in the future and no one is ever going to blame the medium or question the audience's interest in it. Why? Because for most people newer technology is always better. Therefore, in people's (and the industry's) mind, the newer, cutting-edge, "superior" medium of computer animation can't possibly be the reason a movie underperforms.
I also don't really think it's part of the discussion. Much like The Black Cauldron's failure isn't one of the given reasons why Disney gave up on hand drawn to begin with. I do think this type of CG style could be called into question though. It doesn't seem like WDAS has faced any knee jerk reaction from Strange World as far as we can see yet, outside of Chapek's firing. Perhaps history and the company will just remember it as a Chapek folly when all is said and done.
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Learn How Not To Draw Mickey Mouse in This All-New Short
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https://youtu.be/99J3s0qQiEo
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Both Bancroft brothers talk about their work:

Animators React 11: Mulan, Aladdin, Anime Rock Paper Scissors
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James Baxter released a hand drawn character test of Medusa.

https://youtu.be/mkZETIwxKPs
James Baxter wrote: A character test that I animated about 5 years ago.
Plus tests from Wolfwalkers.

https://youtu.be/wX32oZ0u4Oo
James Baxter wrote: Pencil test for two shots (the only 2) that I animated for Wolfwalkers.
And a pug pencil test.

https://youtu.be/P08PlurV6nc
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โ€˜Mulanโ€™sโ€™ Ming-Na Wen to Narrate Annecy-Bound 2D Animation Documentary โ€˜Pencils Vs Pixelsโ€™
https://variety.com/2023/film/global/mu ... 235638452/

Opening Clip:
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Well, looks like with the upcoming "Once Upon A Studio" short being shown before "Wish" and the upcoming Disney+ series "Tiana," if what I've heard is true regarding the show's animation style, looks like hand-drawn animation is about to make a comeback at Disney.

Ooooh exciting!!!
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Adam Devine, Idris Elba, Kathryn Hahn Lead Voice Cast of Animation Wiz Genndy Tartakovskyโ€™s R-Rated โ€˜Fixedโ€™
Despite its contemporary humor, โ€œFixedโ€ actually celebrates the glories of 2D hand-drawn animation.

โ€œIt has become a lost art. These days, everything is computer-generated. It was my dream to do this,โ€ he says, calling it a love letter to Bugs Bunny or Tex Avery, or even 1950s Disney. Murdocca added:

โ€œIt became this homage. We were able to secure animators we never thought we would be able to get. Thatโ€™s when it became very exciting.โ€
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Was interested...then immediately turned off once I saw the dogs butthole. There are better ways to be "adult" than resorting to crude shock humor like that.
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Hey guys :) I came across this 14 minute Disney short "The Truth about Mother Goose" from 1957 and ive NEVER heard of it!!! And it deals with famous nursery rhymes so yeahhh havent finished it yet but looks great so far! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W_5__XBcmo
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๐Ÿ. ๐“Ÿ๐“ช๐“ป๐“ฝ ๐“ธ๐“ฏ ๐”‚๐“ธ๐“พ๐“ป ๐“ฆ๐“ธ๐“ป๐“ต๐“ญ (๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ฝ๐“ฝ๐“ต๐“ฎ ๐“œ๐“ฎ๐“ป๐“ถ๐“ช๐“ฒ๐“ญ)
๐Ÿ. ๐“ฆ๐“ช๐“ฒ๐“ฝ๐“ฒ๐“ท๐“ฐ ๐“ฒ๐“ท ๐“ฝ๐“ฑ๐“ฎ ๐“ฆ๐“ฒ๐“ท๐“ฐ๐“ผ (๐“ฃ๐“ช๐“ท๐“ฐ๐“ต๐“ฎ๐“ญ ๐“ฝ๐“ฑ๐“ฎ ๐“ผ๐“ฎ๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ฎ๐“ผ)
๐Ÿ‘. Wherever I go (Hannah Montana)๐ŸŽถ :cry:
๐Ÿ’. ๐“Ÿ๐“ป๐“ธ๐“พ๐“ญ ๐“ธ๐“ฏ ๐”‚๐“ธ๐“พ๐“ป ๐“‘๐“ธ๐”‚ (๐“๐“ต๐“ช๐“ญ๐“ญ๐“ฒ๐“ท)
๐Ÿ“. ๐’ฏ๐’ฝ๐‘’ ๐’ž๐“๐’พ๐“‚๐’ท :cry: (๐“—๐’ถ๐“ƒ๐“ƒ๐’ถ๐’ฝ ๐“œ๐‘œ๐“ƒ๐“‰๐’ถ๐“ƒ๐’ถ ๐“‚๐‘œ๐“‹๐’พ๐‘’)
& more: 1000 years ( Legend of the Neverbeast),
I'll try (Return to Neverland) :pan: , So close (Enchanted), ๐’ด๐‘œ๐“Šยด๐“๐“ ๐“ƒ๐‘’๐“‹๐‘’๐“‡ ๐“๐‘œ๐“ˆ๐‘’ ๐“‰๐’ฝ๐’พ๐“ˆ ๐“๐‘œ๐“‹๐‘’ (๐’Ÿ๐’พ๐“ˆ๐“ƒ๐‘’๐“Ž ๐’ซ๐“‡๐’พ๐“ƒ๐’ธ๐‘’๐“ˆ๐“ˆ: ๐ธ๐“ƒ๐’ธ๐’ฝ๐’ถ๐“ƒ๐“‰๐‘’๐’น ๐’ฏ๐’ถ๐“๐‘’๐“ˆ), I thought I lost you (BOLT), Into the Unknown (Frozen 2) :pink:
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