Wish

[Farerb]

If Magnifico is redeemed by the end, which I still think he will cause he seems more misguided than outright evil, will people still claim he's a traditional Disney villain? In that case why isn't Namaari considered one as well?

[Pokenonbinary]

I don't get why the anti-woke dudebros in twitter are calling King Magnifico a white man when in all the concept arts he's a extremly obvious brown man.

They just want to create the narrative of white male villain vs black female hero (whe Asha is biracial not black too)

If Magnifico is redeemed by the end, which I still think he will cause he seems more misguided than outright evil, will people still claim he's a traditional Disney villain? In that case why isn't Namaari considered one as well?

I personally consider Namaari a villain, she's the enemy for 90% of the movie, so that's enough to me at least

[reee9948]

When does Disney usually start rolling out Youtube ads for their movies?

[Sotiris]

It seems that's not only true for LGBT characters. Dahlia's voice actress, for example, also has a disability in real life according to IMDb. I doubt Asha will be bisexual like Ariana DeBose, though. I mean, she might be, but most likely she won't have a love interest and I don't think they'll reveal anything about her sexual orientation.

Yes, I noticed that too. It applies to other aspects such as body type as well. Dahlia and Gabo's body types match that of their voice actors. You're right about Asha. She will not show a romantic interest in either men or women in the movie, so Ariana's sexuality won't be an issue.

I hope the movie is good because the trailer is very streaming service movie... Also the animation is ugly AF

I agree about the animation. I don't understand why people like non-photorealistic rendering. It doesn't have the organic feel and fluidity of 2D nor the realism and detail of CG. It just looks like previz; barebones, unfinished computer animation that's not meant to be seen by the public.

If Magnifico is redeemed by the end, which I still think he will cause he seems more misguided than outright evil, will people still claim he's a traditional Disney villain? In that case why isn't Namaari considered one as well?

If he's redeemed, than yes, he can't be considered a traditional villain. Arguably, he can't be considered that now either, because classic villains aren't misguided or have a tragic past. In any case, I don't believe he'll be redeemed at the end; he seems too unhinged for that.

I don't get why the anti-woke dudebros in twitter are calling King Magnifico a white man when in all the concept arts he's a extremely obvious brown man.

Well, his skin tone is not very consistent, but he's clearly meant to be white. You may claim that people from Spain or Italy aren't white, but Americans see them as such and that includes the people who created these characters. They could have easily given the villain African ancestry too, but they didn't. That can't be a coincidence. These are original characters, so aspects like race, ethnicity, gender etc. had to be considered when crafting them.

IThey just want to create the narrative of white male villain vs black female hero (when Asha is biracial not black too).

Again, you claim that, but Black people mixed with white (or what is viewed to be white) are considered Black in the U.S. All pro-Black groups and movements in America share this position. I'm not saying it's right or accurate, but that's the dominant cultural perception here.

[Jules]

Well ... if Magnifico is redeemed in the end, I guess that would make him a twist-hot-daddy?

[Sotiris]

Why does everything need to be a "first" with them? And is it really? What's The Emperor's New Groove, Moana, Raya, and Encanto then?

“This is our first original fairy tale,” Lee said. “It honors our 100-year legacy and celebrates the original storytelling that we’re going to keep pushing ourselves to do, driving our stories forward.”

Source: https://d23.com/watch-a-new-wish-traile ... the-movie/


What a load of BS. Not to mention, calling 2D animation "backwards" adds insult to injury.

“I think with ‘Wish,’ what we were realistic about with ourselves is based on where we are technology-wise, the schedules, what we do,” added Lee. “Not going backwards from the power of CG and what it’s given us, but really pushing to make sure that the hand-drawn is coming with it. Every frame is built layer upon layer. And when you can get Lisa Keene’s painting to resonate and then become not just three-dimensional but actually animated, that was the ultimate goal for me.

“So will we do something that’s strictly hand-drawn only?” she continued. “We might. But I don’t know. There’s nothing saying we wouldn’t do that. But it’s a different way to build. It’s a different way to do it. It’s a different production system. All of those things we recognize, but we don’t want to be afraid of, so we have to continue that legacy. What I’m excited about is we’re seeing a celebration of the fact that animation isn’t here to mimic life. It’s here to transport you in a way that you can surrender to this whole other kind of world.”

Source: https://www.indiewire.com/features/anim ... 234909207/

[Thumper_93]

Dolls are starting to appear in Spain. I saw these three models. I bought Asha with the star and Valentino

[Mooky]

Are we certain Magnifico won't be dead by the end of the movie? That would be on par with the classic "villain death" trope and leave the Queen as the sole, just ruler and Asha as her advisor.

The more I read Lee's words, the less likable she becomes. The whole spiel the're trying to sell just sounds insane at this point. If you like and appreciate an art form, and you keep going on and on about how you want to see its return or implement its aesthetics in the future, just make a movie using that damn art form. No ifs, buts, wells. Either that, or just come out and say, "While we cherish our hand-drawn legacy, we have no plans for another hand-drawn film. The studio's focus is solely on CG films" and leave it at that. You don't need to bend over backwards explaining why or propagate falsehoods.

[Sotiris]

Are we certain Magnifico won't be dead by the end of the movie? That would be on par with the classic "villain death" trope and leave the Queen as the sole, just ruler and Asha as her advisor.

That's what I think will happen too. But because he's misguided and not evil for evil's sake, people believe he'll get redeemed or imprisoned.

The more I read Lee's words, the less likable she becomes. The whole spiel the're trying to sell just sounds insane at this point. If you like and appreciate an art form, and you keep going on and on about how you want to see its return or implement its aesthetics in the future, just make a movie using that damn art form. No ifs, buts, wells. Either that, or just come out and say, "While we cherish our hand-drawn legacy, we have no plans for another hand-drawn film. The studio's focus is solely on CG films" and leave it at that. You don't need to bend over backwards explaining why or propagate falsehoods.

Unlikeable and incompetent too, if you ask me. WDAS' output under her is worse than it was under Lasseter.

[Farerb]

I hope the movie is good because the trailer is very streaming service movie... Also the animation is ugly AF

I agree about the animation. I don't understand why people like non-photorealistic rendering. It doesn't have the organic feel and fluidity of 2D nor the realism and detail of CG. It just looks like previz; barebones, unfinished computer animation that's not meant to be seen by the public.

You're right:

Why does everything need to be a "first" with them? And is it really? What's The Emperor's New Groove, Moana, Raya, and Encanto then?

They might not consider those fairytales or at least Moana might be considered "inspired by" (like Frozen).

[Mooky]

The more I read Lee's words, the less likable she becomes. The whole spiel the're trying to sell just sounds insane at this point. If you like and appreciate an art form, and you keep going on and on about how you want to see its return or implement its aesthetics in the future, just make a movie using that damn art form. No ifs, buts, wells. Either that, or just come out and say, "While we cherish our hand-drawn legacy, we have no plans for another hand-drawn film. The studio's focus is solely on CG films" and leave it at that. You don't need to bend over backwards explaining why or propagate falsehoods.

Unlikeable and incompetent too, if you ask me. WDAS' output under her is worse than it was under Lasseter.

While I wouldn't call her incompetent, I think she's inexperienced for the position she holds and her work is wildly uneven. From quality storytelling in Frozen and Wreck-It Ralph (even though I'm not a fan of the latter) to mediocrities like Frozen II and A Wrinkle in Time. I'd give her a pass for the rest of Disney's output in the time she's been appointed the CCO because most of those movies were well into their development when she came on board, and there was also this whole situation with the pandemic. Wish will probably be her true test.

[Farerb]

But we know that she completely changed Raya and replaced the directors and the main actress, so you already have Frozen II, Raya. We know that Encanto started production only after Moana (so late 2016 at the earliest), that's just a year before Lasseter left (late 2017), though I can believe that she was less involved with Encanto.

[ElMaximo13]

I’m kind of disappointed no one has given me their thoughts on a Peep Show version of Wish.

I haven't seen that show. It sounds interesting, but I think that approach would be a bit too complicated for a family film like Wish whose main target audience is children.

By “a Peep Show version of Wish”, I meant a version of the movie where each shot is from a different character’s POV and you can hear each character’s thoughts through a voiceover, but with none of the adult stuff from the show in it. But I guess I’d actually be happy enough with Asha and Dahlia calling each other “The El Dude Sisters” and doing the “ehhh” thing that the main two characters do in Peep Show. That’d be really funny. On a side note, I think Jennifer Lee talked about the importance of Wish being a “teen girl story”, so although it’s for kids there’s also that element of it.

[ElMaximo13]

Are we certain Magnifico won't be dead by the end of the movie? That would be on par with the classic "villain death" trope and leave the Queen as the sole, just ruler and Asha as her advisor.

The more I read Lee's words, the less likable she becomes. The whole spiel the're trying to sell just sounds insane at this point. If you like and appreciate an art form, and you keep going on and on about how you want to see its return or implement its aesthetics in the future, just make a movie using that damn art form. No ifs, buts, wells. Either that, or just come out and say, "While we cherish our hand-drawn legacy, we have no plans for another hand-drawn film. The studio's focus is solely on CG films" and leave it at that. You don't need to bend over backwards explaining why or propagate falsehoods.

Is “the whole spiel they’re selling” as insane as ordering four peshwari naans at an Indian restaurant?

[Pokenonbinary]

I hope the movie is good because the trailer is very streaming service movie... Also the animation is ugly AF

I agree about the animation. I don't understand why people like non-photorealistic rendering. It doesn't have the organic feel and fluidity of 2D nor the realism and detail of CG. It just looks like previz; barebones, unfinished computer animation that's not meant to be seen by the public.

If Magnifico is redeemed by the end, which I still think he will cause he seems more misguided than outright evil, will people still claim he's a traditional Disney villain? In that case why isn't Namaari considered one as well?

If he's redeemed, than yes, he can't be considered a traditional villain. Arguably, he can't be considered that now either, because classic villains aren't misguided or have a tragic past. In any case, I don't believe he'll be redeemed at the end; he seems too unhinged for that.

I don't get why the anti-woke dudebros in twitter are calling King Magnifico a white man when in all the concept arts he's a extremely obvious brown man.

Well, his skin tone is not very consistent, but he's clearly meant to be white. You may claim that people from Spain or Italy aren't white, but Americans see them as such and that includes the people who created these characters. They could have easily given the villain African ancestry too, but they didn't. That can't be a coincidence. These are original characters, so aspects like race, ethnicity, gender etc. had to be considered when crafting them.

IThey just want to create the narrative of white male villain vs black female hero (when Asha is biracial not black too).

Again, you claim that, but Black people mixed with white (or what is viewed to be white) are considered Black in the U.S. All pro-Black groups and movements in America share this position. I'm not saying it's right or accurate, but that's the dominant cultural perception here.

I don't think americans consider spaniards white apart from social media, all the youtubers and influencers that have been there for months/years have said they never considered them white in any way.

People usually in social media say "this is white or this is brown" but that's all social media, real life is different.

Also the comment about Asha being biracial, yes I know in the USA biracial=black but my point was that she's half white (or seems to be the case based on her grandpa) so the white vs black war is stupid

[carolinakid]

I’ve always considered Spanish people to be white/Caucasian just as I do French/Italians/Greeks etc and I pre-date social media. But maybe I’ve been mistaken all my life...

But you’re right about the biracial thing.... for example Barack Obama is half black and half white and yet 99% of people say he was the “first black” president. But my understanding is more and more biracial people are acknowledging all their racial/ethnic heritages which I think is a good thing.

[Pokenonbinary]

I’ve always considered Spanish people to be white/Caucasian just as I do French/Italians/Greeks etc and I pre-date social media. But maybe I’ve been mistaken all my life...

But you’re right about the biracial thing.... for example Barack Obama is half black and half white and yet 99% of people say he was the “first black” president. But my understanding is more and more biracial people are acknowledging all their racial/ethnic heritages which I think is a good thing.

I've never been in the states but from spanish people that have been there and have talked about their experiences they are never considered white: by phenotype (appearence) and by name/culture

Except one of those extremly pale and nordic looking spaniards (they exist, but a small number, but since they tend to be in movies and shows people think they are a big number, people like Ester Exposito are a very small minority here)

There's an interesting article of a spanish reporter based in L.A. and how he asked what race category he should put and everybody (POC and white) told him to check hispanic (hispanic is not a race obviously but it's basically non-white what I mean)

Right now I'm in London and spaniards here have been attacked many times, one friend who lived here in 2019 was almost attacked in a train, so racialization exists definetly.

And italians same as spaniards can be brown or white, I don't get why americans include an ENTIRE COUNTRY in just one racial group

It's like saying Asian as a race, what has in common a Japanese and a Syrian?

[Farerb]

Disney’s ‘Wish’ Trailer Is Most Watched for the Animation Studio Since ‘Frozen 2’
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie ... 235604536/

[ElMaximo13]

Pictures of Mattel’s Wish collection, out October 1:
https://toybook.com/mattel-disney-wish- ... on-launch/

[reee9948]

So quick question guys, when the novel for Wish comes out on October 10th, do I have to avoid twitter to avoid being spoilers?